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Old 02-16-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Militias are illegal as the police state has suppressed the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years and older who are mentally sane and non-felons may keep but never bear the small arms the government deems acceptable, this can be altered by the vote of the collective representation.


How much more do you wish to amend the Constitution with legislation?
How much is too much?

 
Old 02-16-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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Militias are illegal as the police state has suppressed the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years and older who are mentally sane and non-felons may keep but never bear the small arms the government deems acceptable, this can be altered by the vote of the collective representation.


How much more do you wish to amend the Constitution with legislation?
How much is too much?

In other words:

No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Never thought I could use Onion as a rebuttal. Nice.

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Old 03-03-2018, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Florida
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In other words:

No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Never thought I could use Onion as a rebuttal. Nice.

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Actually the EU has more mass shootings than we do statistically.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Times change and countries evolve. What was deemed necessary when the Constitution was drafted may no longer be relevant. Who among us belongs to a "militia" ?

The common misconception is that we want to take ALL guns, and that is not the case. I own guns, sensible guns, and would never want to see those types of weapons made illegal. But something needs to be done about who can get guns, and the types of weapons every day citizens should be able to possess.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Militias are illegal as the police state has suppressed the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years and older who are mentally sane and non-felons may keep but never bear the small arms the government deems acceptable, this can be altered by the vote of the collective representation.


How much more do you wish to amend the Constitution with legislation?
How much is too much?

Have you ALWAYS been this fearful of going thru gun withdrawal? It'll NEVER happen in america. Just a side note- have you EVER had to handle a physical type confrontation without a gun??? Would
you even know how?
 
Old 03-04-2018, 12:03 AM
 
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Militias are illegal as the police state has suppressed the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years and older who are mentally sane and non-felons may keep but never bear the small arms the government deems acceptable, this can be altered by the vote of the collective representation.


How much more do you wish to amend the Constitution with legislation?
How much is too much?
I dont get it either, it seems many people today really dont care if their govt is tyrannical or not, as long as its not impacting their lives in any way, they are totally fine with it!

But I also keep in mind, there were plenty of colonists who sided with England during the American revolution, they were hated and despised, but they still took the side of the crown over their fellow citizens.

History doesnt usually recognize those that obey and are totally subservient though, patriots are known for breaking laws, resorting to violence, etc,, and eventually they are celebrated for their actions. Every July 4th we officially recognize and celebrate many patriots who were considered terrorists at the time.Im assuming the same will be true in the future, the question is, what kind of people from our time, will future generations be celebrating, and for what.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 01:13 AM
 
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Actually the EU has more mass shootings than we do statistically.
Proof! Wouldn't find any as its so not true.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 04:03 AM
 
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Times change and countries evolve. What was deemed necessary when the Constitution was drafted may no longer be relevant. Who among us belongs to a "militia" ?

The common misconception is that we want to take ALL guns, and that is not the case. I own guns, sensible guns, and would never want to see those types of weapons made illegal. But something needs to be done about who can get guns, and the types of weapons every day citizens should be able to possess.
Many Militias out there in USA. Make fun of them. Some are a joke, some are very serious, and they are all legal.


Actually, many countrys since we became a country have disarmed their citizens, then slaughtered millions.
Mao-China 50 million
Pol Pot-Cambodia 25% of country
Hitler-Jews in Europe 6 million
Stalin-Russia Between him and Lenin over 20 million
Lenin-Russian
Africa-Still doing slaughtering of citizens without weapons to protect
South America=Not really, but Venezula and a couple others are ripe for destruction

And the statement about banning all your guns. Well, for some the AR15 is all they have. Some were trained to use it, and are familiar with it. Its cheap and easy to use, accessorize etc. Its a very versatile weapon. You want to ban it, and to some that is all their weapons.
Ban is not going to happen, as you have no valid argument anyways, its all emotionally driven.
South Afric is now slaughtering Whites, taking their land etc
 
Old 03-04-2018, 07:25 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Have you ALWAYS been this fearful of going thru gun withdrawal? It'll NEVER happen in america. Just a side note- have you EVER had to handle a physical type confrontation without a gun??? Would
you even know how?

I can't speak for Bentbow personally, but on behalf of people with CCWs including myself, handling belligerent confrontation has it's own set of rules for us. And oh my yes...been there done that. When you are carrying a firearm you wind up tucking tail and backing off from things you wouldn't tolerate otherwise.


Because you are armed backing away like a whipped cur is your first option. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong. You just flat DON'T engage. Not even if you don't use your gun, he fact you are armed means you have an obligation to give your ground.


The drunk idiot who gets lewd and crass with your lady outside a restaurant, the belligerent Bozo who deliberately gets in your path and dares you to try and go past him (usually a lady involved there too) the road rager in the parking lot, insert whatever confrontation here you can think of.


A physical confrontation where there is a laying on of hands still requires proper judgement. Can it be handled without use of lethal force? Inmost cases probably so. If the person in question has unarmed combat skills. But just exactly who is it you are tangling with? What are the specific circumstances? Is there more than one aggressor? Are you protecting someone besides yourself? Did you honestly try to just walk away?


Lot of variables in self defense. But if you are carrying you are ready willing and able to put lethal force into the fray. That tempers your response to any given situation. Even if you don't use your weapon against an assailant the fact that you had the option on tap can and easily will go against you in the end run.


Because you have lethal force on tap even if you don't use it and put your assailant down hand to hand the fact you had a firearm on you (meaning from a prosecution standpoint) can be construed as prima facia that you were seeking conflict. CCW people, contrary to what many believe, are the meekest and most mild mannered you will come across.


To the beligerants out there I say this...If the person you are accosting appears quite physically capable but is placating and backing down when you just groped his lady, odds are you're playing with fire. Push that person to the point that they have to respond and you may well end up not seeing the sun rise the next day. Because at that point there is no choice but to respond, and said response will be fast and lethal.
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