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Old 02-17-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
How many people can a truck being driven by a lunatic kill?

The method is secondary. The reason/reasons for the killing is what has to stop.
And yet, we don't routinely have people driving trucks into crowds. Yet we continuously have mass shootings.

Hmmm....
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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O.K. nothing wrong with wanting to clarify things.

Or explosives? You will have to note why you picked auto weapons though as outside of the military I'm not sure when the last person was killed with an automatic weapon.

My argument is people who are intent to kill will kill. That we should address the reasons people decide to kill. Your argument is one where you believe we can lessen the number of people who are killed once people decide to kill.

Mental illness is generally a progressive problem. If you can address it early in it's development you can in many cases slow down or stop it's progression. There is nothing to suggest that restrictions on one form of killing will stop people from killing. Other forms are just as deadly.

I don't want to trade guns for explosives. I want to address the issue before it ever gets that far. Do you have an issue with that?
Mental illness in this country has been a major issue since the 80s. Nobody seems to have the solution or will to tackle it as a major issue. We have immigration issues, infrastructure issues, entitlements issues, etc. I have always hoped it would be addressed and it never is. Because of our instant gratification country, if it is not something they can see, feel or spend immediately--they don't care about it. Spending money on mental health, like education, is an investment. The results won't be felt for a few years. And our current admin is not interested.

Do you really believe they will do anything to even put a dent in mental health? I don't. Our government does not want to spend money on it. They don't even want to have health insurance. I have no hope at all that the GOP or Trump will do anything but try to cut funds for it.

Therefore, I believe we should go for the next best result--fewer deaths. This can be accomplished, and has in other countries, by banning assault rifles, the USA mass killer's weapon of choice.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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How do you know that? We're you inside his mind?
Common sense. He used the bump-stocks to make his semis as auto as possible.

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He also had a pilot's license and owned an airplane that he could have loaded up with fuel and crashed it into the densely packed crowd which was assembled there. Which more than likely would have had an even higher death toll. Why didn't he do that?
Because he was not in a suicide mission, and because a firearm was his choice of tool.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Latest comments by the assault rifle fetish cult. Our thoughts and prayers are with the unfortunate victims. Rinse and repeat.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It was not the most deadly weapon, it was the most terrifying weapon.
Most deadly legally available.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Mental illness in this country has been a major issue since the 80s. Nobody seems to have the solution or will to tackle it as a major issue. We have immigration issues, infrastructure issues, entitlements issues, etc. I have always hoped it would be addressed and it never is. Because of our instant gratification country, if it is not something they can see, feel or spend immediately--they don't care about it. Spending money on mental health, like education, is an investment. The results won't be felt for a few years. And our current admin is not interested.
I'm not going to disagree there.

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Do you really believe they will do anything to even put a dent in mental health? I don't. Our government does not want to spend money on it. They don't even want to have health insurance. I have no hope at all that the GOP or Trump will do anything but try to cut funds for it.

Therefore, I believe we should go for the next best result--fewer deaths. This can be accomplished, and has in other countries, by banning assault rifles, the USA mass killer's weapon of choice.
It's not going to happen either. There are tens of thousands of them here and they are not going anywhere. Yes, they are the "cool" choice but nobody is going to say "This or that is not easy to get so I'm just going to watch television".
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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Most deadly legally available.
Automatics are legally available. The guy in Vegas could have afforded and qualified for one or more if that is what he really wanted.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, as you seem to be a 100% liberal/leftist, and may not understand or comprehend, but if you'd like to have a discussion about "whatever" you should not insult those that you'd like to have a conversation with.

It's hard for me to believe this has to be explained to those on the liberal/left, but it explains a lot.
Yes I agree but, with all due respect, coming from a poster who insults, disparages and calls liberal names quite often during 'conversations', it seems rather odd advice.

Good advice--wish more people would take it.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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Common sense. He used the bump-stocks to make his semis as auto as possible.

Because he was not in a suicide mission, and because a firearm was his choice of tool.
Yes he was. He knew he wasn't leaving that room alive.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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But the killings will be more frequent and the body count will be much higher in a nation that proliferates and glorifies guns - especially high-capacity assault rifles - like candy.

I am so sick of conservatives using the false argument that just because we can't prevent EVERY killing we should do NOTHING while the absurdly high rate of carnage continues unabated.

Your defense of the status quo means you are part of the problem and partly responsible.
How can you convince someone to make a commitment to upholding the non-aggression principle?

I've been blathering about it for years on here to no avail.

In fact, when will you embrace it?

Glass houses and all...
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