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Old 02-17-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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Mueller’s indictment against 13 Russian trolls claimed their social media political activity was criminal because: they were foreign citizens; they tried to influence an election; and they neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission.

First, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make Steele a criminal: first, he is a foreign citizen; second, he tried to influence an election, which he received payments to do (including from the FBI itself); and third, he neither registered as a foreign agent nor listed his receipts and expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Also, according to the FBI, along the way, Steele lied…a lot, while the dossier he disseminated contained its own lies based on bought-and-paid for smears from foreign sources reliant on rumors and innuendo......


......Mueller’s unprecedented prosecution (of the Russians) raises three novel arguments: first, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act; second, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen list their source and expenditure of funding to the Federal Election Commission; and third, that mistakes on visa applications constitute “fraud” on the State Department. All appear to borrow from the now-discredited “honest services” theories Mueller’s team previously used in corporate and bribery cases, cases the Supreme Court overturned for their unconstitutional vagueness. The indictment raises serious issues under the free speech clause of the First Amendment and due process rights under the Fifth Amendment.
https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/does...-chris-steele/

Chris Steele violated everything that Mueller is using to indict the Russians.

Read the whole article, I think we have to move forward with indicting Chris Steele.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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We'll get right on that.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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We'll get right on that.
Why would you oppose indicting Chris Steele?

Do we have equal protection under the law or are we a Banana Republic?


If these Russians are being indicted because they were (1) foreign citizens; they tried to (2) influence an election; and they (3) neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor (4) reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission....

...please tell me how Chris Steele doesn't check every single box on Mueller's indictment reasons. All 4 of the reasons for indictments apply to Chris Steele. We must indict him too, no?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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Did he use stolen ids to open bank accounts?

There has never been equal protection under the law in the USA. Sounds good, though.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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"Be careful of what you wish for" applies here, as the rabid left want charges, they just might get them...
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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Did he use stolen ids to open bank accounts?

There has never been equal protection under the law in the USA. Sounds good, though.
That is a separate charge.

Are you suggesting Mueller overreached with the first charge against the Russians that Chris Steele also violated? Or are you fine with laws being applied or not applied to the benefit of one political party?

Speaking of separate charges, there is the possibility of charges also from Chris Steele lying to federal authorities and lying in his dossier.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Why would you oppose indicting Chris Steele?

Do we have equal protection under the law or are we a Banana Republic?


If these Russians are being indicted because they were (1) foreign citizens; they tried to (2) influence an election; and they (3) neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor (4) reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission....

...please tell me how Chris Steele doesn't check every single box on Mueller's indictment reasons. All 4 of the reasons for indictments apply to Chris Steele. We must indict him too, no?
Not a lawyer but is it that a person is a foreigner or acting on behalf of a foreigner government or party? What foreign government did Steele work for that was influencing the American government?

I don't think just not being a U.S. citizen is germane. Otherwise and U.S. corporation that have any non-U.S. citizens working for them would have to file as a foreign agent before they could make a political campaign contribution.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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That is a separate charge.

Are you suggesting Mueller overreached with the first charge against the Russians that Chris Steele also violated? Or are you fine with laws being applied or not applied to the benefit of one political party?

Speaking of separate charges, there is the possibility of charges also from Chris Steele lying to federal authorities and lying in his dossier.
I have no beloved political party. IMO, a political party is no better than the sum of its members. That's who makes their rules

I expect equal treatment under the law for all people in the USA. I also believe lying is lying. Whether it be to a LEO, a court, a board of directors or a population via a tv camera. LEOs or agents of security forces do not get to lie, either.
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Why would you oppose indicting Chris Steele?

Do we have equal protection under the law or are we a Banana Republic?


If these Russians are being indicted because they were (1) foreign citizens; they tried to (2) influence an election; and they (3) neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor (4) reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission....

...please tell me how Chris Steele doesn't check every single box on Mueller's indictment reasons. All 4 of the reasons for indictments apply to Chris Steele. We must indict him too, no?
Because I've read the dossier and Glenn Simpson's testimony, and I know why the RW wants to shut him down. Source documents are your friends, not Alex Jones and Hannity and Dan Abrams.
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Oh lordy. The whole Chris Steele thing again? Didn't the Nunes memo state at the end in small print that it was actually Australian intelligence that kicked off the investigation with Papadopoulos' verbally incontinent drunk talk?

You carry on with more nonsense and opinion pieces. I'll follow the facts thanks.
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