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View Poll Results: Select 4 of your rulings for top security clearances
No. I would not grant a TS clearance to a convicted felon. 24 75.00%
No. I would not grant if being tried in court for a felony. 12 37.50%
No. I would not grant if police or FBI have reasonable grounds to suspect 14 43.75%
No. I would not grant if relatives, or coworkers, accuse of felony. 7 21.88%
Yes. I would grant if felon served time and was rehabilitated. 5 15.63%
Yes. I would grant despite on trial since not guilty till proven. 1 3.13%
Yes. I would grant if general public were aware of possible charges. 0 0%
Yes. I would grant if only relatives coworkers accuse 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-13-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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Congratulations!

You have just been appointed in charge of granting and denying top secret clearances.

The person you are reviewing will have access to all of the Country's most guarded secrets.

A felony case is before you.

An answer NO means you require more information before granting the TS clearance. It would give your staff time to look into the type of felony and how long ago it occurred.

An answer YES means you just granted full access to top secrets even if you only intend it to be "interim".

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Old 02-13-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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Congratulations!

You have just been appointed in charge of granting and denying top secret clearances.

The person you are reviewing will have access to all of the Country's most guarded secrets.

Select only 4 answers.
What?
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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See if Mods can help you add your poll.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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Depends on the felony.

For instance, if the charge were perjury, apropos of lying about his personal sex life - which is what happened to Clinton - sure, I'd have no problem. If the charge was threatening an officer - like when Zsa Zsa Gabor slapped a cop - sure, I'd have no problem.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Depends on the felony.

For instance, if the charge were perjury, apropos of lying about his personal sex life - which is what happened to Clinton - sure, I'd have no problem. If the charge was threatening an officer - like when Zsa Zsa Gabor slapped a cop - sure, I'd have no problem.
Actually I'd agree with Gabor being cleared. Not Clinton because it demonstrates dishonesty.

Except perjury and fraud, I can't think of a felony that would be a blanket No. Indeed a deep background check I'd choose the guy convicted of a crime, over the guy suspected and never tried (if he did the crime, it can be used as leverage, a convict can't be leveraged by his crimes).

It's all about
1) Is the person trustworthy, and most crimes don't immediately violate that.

And

2) Can past history be used against the person seeking clearance, for example secret affairs, money issues, other indiscretions that if exposed to the right people could compromise the candidate.

If 1 is met and 2 is not they should be cleared. Any other combination should be rejected.

Quickest way to fail TS or any high security clearance is to lie on the application or to the interviewers. Lying implies shame or regret, which is a red flag.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Having held a TS clearance and being the custodian of large volumes of classified info back in the day, I have to say that if the FBI has concerns after doing a background investigation, then that individual should NOT have access to sensitive info.

It's clear cut.

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Old 02-13-2018, 09:01 PM
 
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One of the objectives of intelligence officers assigned outside of the US is to get foreign nationals to commit felonies against their respective countries. It depends m.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Congratulations!

You have just been appointed in charge of granting and denying top secret clearances.

The person you are reviewing will have access to all of the Country's most guarded secrets.

A felony case is before you.

An answer NO means you require more information before granting the TS clearance. It would give your staff time to look into the type of felony and how long ago it occurred.

An answer YES means you just granted full access to top secrets even if you only intend it to be "interim".
I didn't see a choice saying I would base it on the value that person had. What can that person do for the cause. Being a felon doesn't tell me much.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Gungnir wrote:

Can past history be used against the person seeking clearance, for example secret affairs, money issues, other indiscretions that if exposed to the right people could compromise the candidate?

Agree. That is where Porter was very vulnerable. The general public was not well aware of his past. Yes a few people knew. However, they failed to recognize two things.

Again at least one of Porter's ex-wives reported she was abused by him long ago.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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How about "Maybe, depending on the nature of the felony and post-conviction behavior."
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