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Do shotguns come with 30 round magazines, that can be emptied and swapped for a new one in 30 seconds?
No.
Or, how about 50 round drum.. or a 100 round drum?
No.
Or penetrate body armor?
No.
Or accurate out to 600yards?
No
Or point and shoot out to 300yards?
No
A shotgun is Wonderfull close quarters gun.. but I would chose an AR-15 over it ANYTIME!
Do shotguns come with 30 round magazines, that can be emptied and swapped for a new one in 30 seconds? Yes. And in realty a magazine can be swapped in milliseconds.
Or, how about 50 round drum.. or a 100 round drum? 30 is available
Or penetrate body armor? Pretty much any center fire caliber will penetrate a Kevlar vest, ceramic plates...a different story.
Or accurate out to 600yards?
No
Or point and shoot out to 300yards? 100 to 200 depending on ammo
I am a avid hunter, and have for the last 15 years ( as long as I have been a member of several hunting forums ), seen the same arguments time and time again from Reichwingers.
If they believed so much in their solutions, they would be pushing for increasing the taxes, so they could fortify the schools with walls, and put armed guards in watchtowers all around the campus.
Strangly, they do not do that. They want less taxes.
Every other 1st world nation has gun regulations. Some very strict, some very lax. It all depends on geography, mixture of left/right leaning politics.
American Reichwingers are fanatical in their resolve.. and belive giving an inch, will result in government takeover by a strongman and seizure of guns in their homes by armored "gun police".
They don´t belive in government, they don´t belive in their fellow citizens, they don´t belive rules or law works... but they LOVE the flag.
More people hate hunters than simply gun owners so you have two strikes, congrats. You need to figure out which camp you should be in.
The heroin epidemic that many cities and states are going thru right now, should prove without a doubt, that tough laws/ regulations and banning, does not work at all.
They have tried to throw tough laws and regulations at the drug problem for decades now, and yet here we are in 2018, with overdose and drug related deaths skyrocketing...and they still want to try the same thing again!!!LOL
Its almost like NO ONE can even come up with a better solution, so they are forced to do the same thing over and over again.
The heroin epidemic that many cities and states are going thru right now, should prove without a doubt, that tough laws/ regulations and banning, does not work at all.
They have tried to throw tough laws and regulations at the drug problem for decades now, and yet here we are in 2018, with overdose and drug related deaths skyrocketing...and they still want to try the same thing again!!!LOL
Its almost like NO ONE can even come up with a better solution, so they are forced to do the same thing over and over again.
If you remove every law that isn't 100% effective it could always be worse. There will always be violations to any law created, using that logic we should do away with laws against rape and assault because those crimes still take place.
Why is it that when it comes to guns we need to have perfect laws.
If you remove every law that isn't 100% effective it could always be worse. There will always be violations to any law created, using that logic we should do away with laws against rape and assault because those crimes still take place.
Why is it that when it comes to guns we need to have perfect laws.
No one is asking for perfect, just ones based on facts not emotion. Also, we currently have 20,000 plus firearms related laws on the books, will that 20,001 be the one that just changes everything ?
"When they give us an inch with the bump stock ban, we will take a mile, because we are not here for crumbs. We are here for real change."
We know what the methods are and the intentions are.
Problem they have not thought out in their lack of intellectual intelligence.... to take my gun, they are going to need a gun much bigger than mine.
If you remove every law that isn't 100% effective it could always be worse. There will always be violations to any law created, using that logic we should do away with laws against rape and assault because those crimes still take place.
Why is it that when it comes to guns we need to have perfect laws.
The law's only purpose is to have a method of which to punish individuals after they have committed a crime. That's the only valid reason for having any laws. Obviously if there weren't any laws there'd be no way to arrest, try, convict and incarcerate those who break them. Good people don't need any laws and bad people don't follow them. Since when has any law stopped an individual who knows they are breaking the law from committing a crime? If these individuals were so afraid of the law they wouldn't be committing any crimes in the first place.
Do you honestly believe that some little puke that's planning a massacre gives a s**t about any God damn laws? Especially if they are on a suicide mission? Do you honestly believe that a rapist cares about any laws? Or a drug dealer or gang banger? Or a common thief? They are fully aware that they're breaking the law, they're just gambling that they won't get caught.
*How do you explain the prison recidivism rate? These are people that have experienced first hand what the consequences of their actions are. Yet upon release from prison they just keep on committing crimes anyway.
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There are probably thousand's of bad laws that serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to line the pockets of greedy trial lawyers. It's no coincidence that the majority of politicians have a law degree. The more laws that are passed the more work there is for lawyers and the more lawyers that will be needed. There are already thousands upon thousands of laws that already address every conceivable criminal act imaginable. Do we really need more?
Some laws are passed solely for political retribution such as New York's "Safe Act" which turned otherwise law abiding citizens ex post facto into criminals because of their lawful possessions, beliefs and activities. What better way to punish your political enemies? Cuomo made that quite clear when he boasted after the act was passed, I'll paraphrase: "People that do not think like me are not welcome in New York". NOT WELCOME IN NEW YORK. Face it Cuomo and his ilk hate the 2nd Amendment and especially those who believe in it. Hillary Clinton labeled us as "deplorables", Obama labeled us as "bitter clingers". How's that for tolerance and civility they so demand of others? Does it come as any surprise that once these types of individuals gain the reigns of power that they'll do all they can to crush anyone who opposes them?
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"The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
What does "worked" mean? What regulations? What constitutes "common sense"?
Did seat belt regulations work? People still die in car accidents. Does that mean they failed, that they should be abolished? Would seatbelts' failure to eliminate car accident deaths be a valid argument for not pursing regulations requiring airbags?
There will be school shootings even without AR-15s. But banning them takes away the most lethal weapon shooters can get, the one they prefer above all others.
They are using A R s because this is a copycat society. All of the mass shooters except Vegas could have killed just as many with a shotgun, semi-auto pistols, revolvers (speed loader), lever action, pump, etc. With most common deer rifles, .308, 30.30, .243 etc, they probably could have killed more. The Vegas shooter could have killed more with most other rifles and without the bump stock would have been more accurate. If you ban the AR, which would be almost impossible, they would just switch to something else. Concentrate on the shooters, not the weapon.
I've learned that "common" actually means "communist", in this context.
So, common sense gun reform = communist sense gun reform = confiscation.
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