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Old 02-19-2018, 09:46 PM
 
Location: London
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And then picked the 3 most biased sites online. You really think that picking Mother Jones and CNN isn't showing bias?

Why so many shootings, by we
66% suicides
85% of the remainder is felons killing other felons
40% of the remainder is justifiable shootings by police and civilians
leaving 1,009 victims out of 350,000,000 population. That's only 0.29 / 100,000 if you aren't going to shoot yourself and you aren't a repeat felon. The US isn't nearly as bad as the left wishes it was.
And suicides and gun violence among felons (that is, the prevalence of people turning to a life of violent crime) aren't cause for concern...?

I don't think gun bans are a solution to anything, but there are some serious issues with American culture just on the basis of those things alone.
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: The Ozone Layer, apparently...
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And suicides and gun violence among felons (that is, the prevalence of people turning to a life of violent crime) aren't cause for concern...?

I don't think gun bans are a solution to anything, but there are some serious issues with American culture just on the basis of those things alone.
I agree a ban solves nothing.

There are plenty of ways for someone to kill themselves and other people if they cant get a gun.

We can see if behavioral health needs reworking, or do we have a right to end our lives and if so, are there better ways to do it? Some states allow for doctor-assisted suicide.

It is already illegal, or very difficult, for convicted felons to own a gun. In fact, some of those felons have access to weapons (fully-automated, grenades, etc. as an example) that a law-abiding citizen cannot legally obtain. The Brady Act and other laws are already in place that adequately cover gun ownership for the mentally ill and criminal elements.

Where is the enforcement of the existing laws?

We have poured millions and millions of dollars into the War on Drugs. How much have we poured into the War on Illegal Weapons?

Is no one even trying to get the illegal weapons off the streets because they know it will fail as badly as the War on Drugs has?
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:59 AM
 
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War on Poverty? Poverty won
War on Drugs? Drugs won
War on Guns? Guns will win
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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This.

Establishing public policy based on statistically insignificant events is irrational.

FYI, the only statistically insignificant shootings are in countries with gun control.

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All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

Source: Gun Violence Archive

How the US compares: The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.
Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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This.

Establishing public policy based on statistically insignificant events is irrational.
how'd you reach your conclusion that mass shootings are statistically insignificant events?
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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how'd you reach your conclusion that mass shootings are statistically insignificant events?
As a percentage of total homicides they are. They are extremely rare, and the number of people killed compared to other means is statistically very, very low. Like .0000000001% low. You are more likely to win Power Ball or be hit by lightning twice.
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:42 AM
 
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how'd you reach your conclusion that mass shootings are statistically insignificant events?
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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As a percentage of total homicides they are. They are extremely rare, and the number of people killed compared to other means is statistically very, very low. Like .0000000001% low. You are more likely to win Power Ball or be hit by lightning twice.
Please show your numbers and what statistical analysis method you used to come up with this ^.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Easy. We allow mentally ill people to be able to buy guns either by gun shops or under the radar with private sales. No other 1st or 2nd world country allows this. Plus anyone can buy a gun by private sale with no back ground check at all. It is a loophole that the NRA and Republicans love.
Please tell us your solution for stopping two people exchanging a firearm in a garage? This is no "loophole". It's two people that likely know each other swapping firearms. You can't legislate that out of existence.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Got a link to your stats? Below is one showing U.S #3 in length of sentences among English speaking countries

Countries Compared by Crime > Sentence Length. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
Perhaps confusion exists because Minimum Sentencing is left to 50 states.
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