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Old 03-06-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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Don't Hate!

Confiscate!
This is ridiculous. I suppose you will be volunteering for this duty?
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Old 03-07-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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I spotted that toon about gun bans who might trigger some trigglypuffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPJhuNg3Id8
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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Default A good argument to use against the gun banners

The argument of the gun banners is that we need to ban "assault weapons" (and some are arguing for going even further) because of shootings like Parkland.


The debate often goes into arguing about the 2nd Amendment and gun ownership. However, that is actually going more into the box the elites want us to debate in. While I do not think I can leave the 2nd Amendment totally out of the argument, I can think I mention it briefly enough and then walk outside the box that the elites have hoped we'll keep the debate in.


Their argument is that access to "assault weapons", or even guns in general, are to blame for these shootings and that if they were banned, they would stop. However, considering that gun ownership was guaranteed with the 2nd Amendment and "assault weapons", in one form or another, have been around for about 200 years without seeing incidents like these shootings, one must ask, if access to the weapons has always been there, why are the shooting increasing since Columbine in 1998? Based on those facts, one can reasonably conclude that access to guns, even assault weapons, have an inconsequential bearing on the rise of, increasing deathtoll of, and increasing frequency of, these mass shootings.



Another topic that was brought up was mental health. That actually is a more valid topic, as there is a noticeable shift with the changes in laws and court rulings concerning that and the increase in mass shootings. That is an area we could discuss. However, I want to mention that having national "mental health" laws to restrict gun ownership (among other things, like possibly having someone committed for instance) shouldn't be allowed, as it would be too easy for someone to use inaccurate information to disarm innocent people (like taking guns from someone who was severely depressed for a few months of their lives from ever owning guns again) to outright political censorship (i.e. declaring someone "mentally unfit" for not believing in "climate change", that marriage can be between the same gender, not believing that gender can be changed, etc) that would disarm people who committed "thought crimes" against the regime in power in DC.) Thus, I would keep the jurisdiction of mental health laws to the state and local level.) (Preferably local, as I don't trust some states (Yes, I'm talking to YOU California and New York!))


Also, in regards to mental health, we shouldn't just stop with what to laws to make with those who are mentally ill, but also try and figure out WHY people are mentally ill (i.e. Big Pharma, GMOs, too much technology, abusive relationships/bullying, etc.) We could also discuss access to decent healthcare as possibly being a factor in likelihood for mental illness.


And we can discuss other issues, such as the lack of respect for life, which has spanned from blaming video games to blaming Hollywood to blaming (rightfully so) abortion industries like Planned Parenthood as well as the rise of euthanasia and "right to die" laws.


By discussing these issues, we can get closer to addressing the real problems instead of staying in the gun box that the elites want us to so that they can move to try and take away more of our liberties by dragging on the discussion about guns till enough people believe the propaganda and give up their inalienable rights.
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: 89434
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It's simple, if people hate the second amendment, they can leave the country and go to whatever gun-free utopia they like. Or go to Antarctica or Mars and establish their own nation to their content.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Would it be better to bring back machine guns so that the intent of the 2nd amendment would be fully realized?
Of course not. No one thinks that.

Mass shootings would be made worse if psychos were given access to Tommy guns. They will be lessened by the absence of assault rifles.
Finding all the psychos in a group of 315 million people is not possible.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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It's simple, if people hate the second amendment, they can leave the country and go to whatever gun-free utopia they like. Or go to Antarctica or Mars and establish their own nation to their content.
Didn't even get a single post in before the usual "If you don't like it, get out!!!"


No. How about if you don't like it, you change it.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Would it be better to bring back machine guns so that the intent of the 2nd amendment would be fully realized?
Of course not. No one thinks that.

Mass shootings would be made worse if psychos were given access to Tommy guns. They will be lessened by the absence of assault rifles.
Finding all the psychos in a group of 315 million people is not possible.
Full auto rifles are still legal. They are just terribly expensive, and you need a Class III license. Also weapons can get stolen from military, or police armories. They aren't the problem either. Most crime where criminal use a firearm, and hand gun is used. Less than 2% of deaths are someone using a rifle.

You can't legislate sanity, nor can you legislate 100% safety, and security. If you want a free society, there is going to be some risks. Freedom isn't free. There are ways to further mitigate the risk by arming qualified people in schools, and having better security.

To ban common use firearms like semi auto rifles, etc there needs to be a Constitutional amendment.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:51 PM
 
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Didn't even get a single post in before the usual "If you don't like it, get out!!!"


No. How about if you don't like it, you change it.
Since this is the only Country that is the way it is and so many that are how you want this one to be the answer is simple and obvious...we keep our one country and you go to one of the others that are already messed up the way you want.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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But don't the Parkland students want better gun restrictions and not an outright ban?
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:59 PM
 
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Since this is the only Country that is the way it is and so many that are how you want this one to be the answer is simple and obvious...we keep our one country and you go to one of the others that are already messed up the way you want.
Since majority of people are for commonsense gun-free sanity, how about you and the NRA go get a deserted island together and then you can all shoot each other over there?
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