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Right! This is totally the NRA fantasy the defense of freedom. This isn't the 1770s. Do you think any of those guys didn't face armed resistance ? They all did and they killed everyone who resisted along with their families and relatives. That is how tyranny works.
Your Mossberg and Glock and/or AR15 aren't going to stop someone who is in charge of the Army.
You think the people who make up our army are going to attack their mothers and fathers? Their wives and childten? Their friends and neighbors? All to hand over our country to some maniacally self-absorbed totalitarian socialist control freak?
No, it will have to be accomplshed another way, if at all.
Right! This is totally the NRA fantasy the defense of freedom. This isn't the 1770s. Do you think any of those guys didn't face armed resistance ? They all did and they killed everyone who resisted along with their families and relatives. That is how tyranny works.
Your Mossberg and Glock and/or AR15 aren't going to stop someone who is in charge of the Army.
I guess you've never taken this into consideration, I've had to repeat it ad nauseam:
I've argued this point many times to those who think that the military and police would slaughter their own family, friends and neighbors. Destroying their homes and neighborhoods in the process. There would be absolutely nothing for them to come home to. It is more than likely that they would turn against the government that ordered them to do so. A lot of gun owning Americans are both active duty and retired law enforcement and military personnel who firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and "Constitutional Law". Add to that the millions of us who know how to use firearms. Not to mention the quantity of guns and ammunition that are currently in private hands. We would indeed be a force to be reckoned with.
I guess you've never taken this into consideration, I've had to repeat it ad nauseam:
I've argued this point many times to those who think that the military and police would slaughter their own family, friends and neighbors. Destroying their homes and neighborhoods in the process. There would be absolutely nothing for them to come home to. It is more than likely that they would turn against the government that ordered them to do so. A lot of gun owning Americans are both active duty and retired law enforcement and military personnel who firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and "Constitutional Law". Add to that the millions of us who know how to use firearms. Not to mention the quantity of guns and ammunition that are currently in private hands. We would indeed be a force to be reckoned with.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still believe the more likely scenario is that our government and society just flat out fail, leaving many of us on our own or at least in some difficult situations that being armed would be pretty important in terms of survival.
You think the people who make up our army are going to attack their mothers and fathers? Their wives and childten? Their friends and neighbors? All to hand over our country to some maniacally self-absorbed totalitarian socialist control freak?
No, it will have to be accomplshed another way, if at all.
I think we've been reading each other's minds! Which is a good thing. Keep the faith there brother and never give up the fight to preserve our Constitutional Republic, if not for us but for generations to come.
You don't need to make it up. All you have to do is look at how any communist country got that way. Guess you weren't alive during the 50's and 60's and know about communism. People who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Everything he said in that speech is true. I find it scary you don't know that. Our teens are close to losing their freedom and all they worry about is getting rid of something that has nothing to do with their safety. I wish I knew how to wake some of you up.
Yes, I know how they became communists. USSR became communist through a civil war. Cuba through an armed revolution. Vietnam, by kicking our butts in the jungles. They picked up their guns and took it by violence. Ironically their view is same as the pro-gun people here, who say guns are for fighting against tyrannical government. Well, they fought, and unfortunately they chose to install communism after they had won the battles.
Anything else I can educate you on?
The NRA preaching someone is taking way ALL out freedoms is bunch go BS.
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I still believe the more likely scenario is that our government and society just flat out fail, leaving many of us on our own or at least in some difficult situations that being armed would be pretty important in terms of survival.
No you're not crazy, that's a very real possibility. History proves that with the downfall of many civilizations. We just have to do all we can to fight against socialism wherever it rears it's ugly head. We can start by never voting for a Democrat no matter who they run for any political office. While at the same time keeping a weary eye on Republicans. However they are the lessor of the two evils. Some choice.
Unfortunately governments are a monopoly that are accountable to no one. People will lie, cheat, steal and prostitute themselves to the lowest common denominator for some crummy little political office. It's become increasingly difficult to separate the good from the bad.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. —C. S. Lewis, “God in the Dock”
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The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
Getting killed at 17 makes that victim less free, too
Yep. The far-right leaves in this nutty world where we're all somehow "not free" if we can't buy room-clearing weapons, but being murdered, apparently, sets you free.
It's just nuts. They cannot defend their position of "more guns for all, no questions asked," without resorting to insane hyperbole - any gun law = taking everyone's guns - and pathetic fear mongering - "if you don't got yur gun, yur gonna get shot, every day!"
I think we've been reading each other's minds! Which is a good thing. Keep the faith there brother and never give up the fight to preserve our Constitutional Republic, if not for us but for generations to come.
Obama has been putting his generals in there and trying to get illegals and trannies (who tend to be more liberal) in there. His policies, largely still in place thanks to our Communist courts blocking anything Trump tries, are scaring off conservatives from joining but actually increasingly encourage liberalism. Besides, they don't need our military that much for their plans either, or else they wouldn't be trying to cut it so much. They have armed EPA, armed DOE, armed Bureau of Land Management, armed IRS agents, etc to go around and harass us, just like King George III sent his agents around to harass the colonists to the point where they pointed out this harassment in the Declaration of Independence.
Besides, another trend I believe they are aiming for is to declare local and state police too dangerous due to "racism" and other made up stuff and so nationalize them, hence DC will be running our cops. So they'd have them plus their armed bureaucrats as their army.
He said having guns is a GOD given right, and people who ask for gun laws want to take away ALL freedoms.
You can't make it up.
I stopped paying my member fees 3-4 years ago. They's call me every month asking for money. They said we are facing the biggest gun crises EVER. Every month was the worst ever. I told them to stop calling me.
So God in ancient times gave people the right to a sword and now guns are the same thing as swords?
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