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Guns are constitutionally allowed in Mexico like the US.
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A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most types and calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]
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I would also note that the worst 20 states have rates higher than Mexico.
Guns are constitutionally allowed in Mexico BUT NOT like the US.
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Also, consider Switzerland, where you are REQUIRED to own a gun, yet gun crimes, I believe, are also low. If you believed the rhetoric of the gun grabbers that the higher amount of gun ownership would mean a higher rate of mass shootings, Switzerland doesn't seem to go along with that.
The Swiss are only required to have a gun as part of their military service which includes being part of the reserve forces for a number of years, however whilst they may keep the gun in the house, the ammunition is kept in the local Army Reserve Centre. Switzerland actually has strict rules in terms of private firearms and a good licensing system.
At 19 years of age Comscripted Swiss Males and Female Volunteers attend a boot camp for 18 to 21 weeks and Conscripts can then choose to fulfill their entire military obligations in a continuous 300-day service after which they are incorporated in the Swiss Army Reserve for the following ten years.
Those that don't want to do Military Service such as conscientious objectors can do Civilian Service instead, where they look after the elderly in Nursing Homes or other such beneficial services to society. It also should be noted that 20% of Swiss Conscripts are unfit for Military Service, so end up doing Civillian Service instead.
WTF are you talking about!! The guy who just shot up the Florida school was an ardent Trump supporting right-winger!!
The guy who mass murdered people in Las Vegas was a right-wing gun nut.
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Why do people keep harping shooter's political leanings?
As if which side they may or may not support has anything to do with going postal.
Those who bring this crap up aren't really interested in finding any solutions or even having a rational discussion..... they just want to get digs in on the other side.
Every separate shooting is it's own situation and every shooter is different.
The only time politics are relevant is when the shooter's motives are terror related.
There are literally hundreds of countries that banned guns that are very effective in getting guns off the hands of criminals.
You know how much a semi-auto handgun will set you back in Australia's black market?? $1,000? $2,000? $5,000?!! No, that gun will cost you $15,000!!! (Not a typo).
You know what you call a criminal who can shell out $15,000 for a handgun?? Not a robber. Anyone who can afford that price tag does not need to break into your house and rob you.
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We aren't Australia.
We have a lot more people, a lot more guns and are more attached to them.
There are millions of guns in America that the government doesn't even know about because they predate laws requiring paperwork and background checks.
How many Right-wing people have you heard of committing mass shootings? How many shootings have you heard of done by NRA members? (Also, how many shootings have you heard of stopped or thwarted by Ring-wing people or NRA members?) While it's true that several of these guys have turned out to be Left-leaning, I don't think that it would be fair even to take away guns from law-abiding Left-leaners either.
Also, consider Waco, TX where a bunch of unarmed Americans were killed by the federal government but in the Bundy Ranch standoff, where both Bundy's friends and the Bureau of Land Management had guns, nobody ended up dying and the BLM left.
Also, consider the Wounded Knee Massacre where the government killed about 290 mostly unarmed Native Americans. It's not like our government hasn't killed the innocent before so giving up our weapons to them isn't the brightest idea.
Also, consider Switzerland, where you are REQUIRED to own a gun, yet gun crimes, I believe, are also low. If you believed the rhetoric of the gun grabbers that the higher amount of gun ownership would mean a higher rate of mass shootings, Switzerland doesn't seem to go along with that.
Now, as for Japan, a country with more gun control than ours, they also have a culture that ingrains respect, etc into kids's heads a lot more than here. So that would also account for the lower crime rate.
Sounds like you guys are getting a little nervous..........understandably so. Your side refused to get a handle on these assault type weapons coming off of the assembly lines like water over a dam, and now you are seeing the results.
Your wonderful NRA had, and has, one goal, to boost the production of every gun manufacturer in the country.......period. They would have been in Heaven if every man, woman, and child was armed to the teeth, and, unfortunately, they were reaching that goal. Gun shows were like a superbowl for rednecks.
Our country is obsessed with weaponry , the bigger and more rounds it can spit out the better. Somehow, many other countries survive very well with SENSIBLE gun ownership laws, but NOOOOOO, we need all the firepower we can get to "protect ourselves". It is pure madness.
Funny, I don't see Vicoden, Oxycontin or Heroin on the store shelves.....but we still have an opioid epidemic.
Prohibition did very little to keep anyone who wanted alcohol from getting it.
New technology like 3-D printers is going to make it very difficult to keep people from just making anything they want.
Banning guns is a pipe dream.
All good points. The criminal element has always shown its ability to fill the needs of banned, and illegal items. Gun bans will only create a black market, and make the law abiding criminals overnight. Just like Prohibition did.
How many Right-wing people have you heard of committing mass shootings?
Your assumptions are that the right-wingers commit fewer mass shootings and that mass shooters are political one way or the other. I don't know that either assumption is true, but I am pretty sure that neither one matter. Instead of making it political, you chould have asked --
"How many football fans have you heard committing mass murder?"
"How many Pearl Jam have you heard committing mass murder?"
"How many left handed people have you heard committing mass murder?"
"How many licensed Ford owners have yo heard committing mass murder?"
You're trying to associate the opposite political spectrum that you are on with being mass shooters. Even if true and even if their ideology played a part in their shooting, it ignores several facts. First, there would have to be some of all political ideologies in their, right wing, left wing, down the center. First it would have had to play a part in them choosing to become mass shooters and would likely play a part in the target they choose.
It's actually pretty devious. In the first few hours after this horrible shooting, the right tried to paint this little cretin as a registered Democrat, a Hispanic, a "dreamer," an ISIS supporter and someone faked a photo of him wearing an AntiFa garb. The left tried to paint him as a Trump supporter among other things. And, no, I don't think someone wearing a MAGA hat who later shoots up a place means anything before most people who wear MAGA hats never kill anyone.
So, please, everyone stop making this guy out to be a card-carrying member of whatever political ideology you don't believe it.
Where would school kids be safe. A school that has a 'gun free zone' sign or a school that has a 'personnel in this school are armed' sign.
School shooters choose to shoot schools because that's where the people are they want to kill. School shooters don't seem to care too much if there are armed SROs on site. Why are they going to care if there are 10, 15 or 20 people on site that may have guns? Most school shooters already expect to die that day anyway
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