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Old 02-21-2018, 05:39 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Florida lawmakers vote to label porn a ‘public health risk’, after refusing to consider an assault weapons ban


Hmmmm....., didn't I keep hearing that the problem is not porn but the people who choose to watch porn??

Oh wait, of course not. That logic only applies to guns. Silly me.

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The deflection is ridiculous, but it's only part of a bigger systemic issue of corrupt legislators refusing to be accountable to people that they are supposed to represent even if what they have to say doesn't fit their own personal worldview or party platform or please the donors who hold their puppet strings (such as the NRA). Since irrelevance is what they understand best, they need to be the ones made irrelevant.

It is true that most high school students aren't quite voting age so I suppose that's why they feel like they can just dismiss them. But contrary to the legislators beliefs, they do represent the students. And they will be eligible to vote soon and my hope is that the momentum of young people will not subside and they will be putting these unaccountable legislators out to pasture, where they belong, very soon. And their parents and grandparents vote, too.

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Old 02-21-2018, 05:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Blaming the victims by accusing them to be crisis actors isn't the solution to the problem. The kids aren't the problem. They are the victims. Guns are the problem when they are carried into a school.
Where did I say anything about crisis actors? I didn't. I quite correctly posted the FACT that gun ownership ISN'T the problem, and included actual statistics to prove my point.

Schools are "gun-free zones." Why didn't that gun control law prevent the shooting/killing? Hmmmm...???
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Bottom line is that Christian fundamentalists are triggered by sex. Violence doesn’t seem to bother them. Given the fact we are fast becoming a theocracy, expect to see much more of this kind of stuff. Some of the stuff currently happening in Oklahoma is straight out of the Muslim world (except it’s the Baptists doing it). There is definitely a Baptist taliban in this country and they want to rule with an iron fist.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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They don't. The facts I posted come from the CDC. They actually DO track deaths via all means. I'm sorry you were misled by a faulty "study."
*What your first graph measures is that gun homicides have been decreasing as the amount of guns per person has gone up between 1994 and 2013.

*What your second graph measures is that deaths by firearms have also declined since the 1990s.

*What your third graph measures is that nonfatal firearm victimizations have also declined since the 1990s, and all of these graphs have happened as the average number of guns per person has gone up.

That's just a correlation though, because ALLMOST ALL CRIME has been decreasing, so that stuff may or may not have anything to do with guns. Or maybe it's all crime. I'm not sure. I just know most of it is.


And I don't know why you would just insta-ignore those studies I mentioned, without explaining why. Just because there's a correlation, that doesn't necessarily mean causation.

Here are the FBI crime rate statistics. They've been dropping since 1993:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._1993-2012.xls
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:56 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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*What your first graph measures is that gun homicides have been decreasing as the amount of guns per person has gone up between 1994 and 2013.

*What your second graph measures is that deaths by firearms have also declined since the 1990s.

*What your third graph measures is that nonfatal firearm victimizations have also declined since the 1990s, and all of these graphs have happened as the average number of guns per person has gone up.

That's just a correlation though, because ALLMOST ALL CRIME has been decreasing, so that stuff may or may not have anything to do with guns. Or maybe it's all crime. I'm not sure. I just know most of it is.
The point you're missing is that the FACTS prove that increased gun ownership does not result in increased crime rates. The opposite, in fact, is true.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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The point you're missing is that the FACTS prove that increased gun ownership does not result in increased crime rates. The opposite, in fact, is true.
READ MY POSTS! READ THE POSTS! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO READ THE POSTS

here are my posts: //www.city-data.com/forum/51094243-post14.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/51094393-post24.html
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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READ MY POSTS! READ THE POSTS! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO READ THE POSTS
You can imagine whatever you wish , but you cannot ignore the FACT that as the gun ownership rate INCREASED by 50%, the gun homicide rate DECREASED by 50%, and the nonfatal violent gun crimes rate DECREASED by 76%.

Guns AREN'T the problem.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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The point you're missing is that the FACTS prove that increased gun ownership does not result in increased crime rates. The opposite, in fact, is true.
No, it proves there is a correlation...which is a good sign for the NRA types, but that's all.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I disagree, I believe the real problem is too much lobby $$$ buying lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, the country and its people are no longer a priority.
Why I sort of get a kick out of this:

GOP Mega Donor: No More Money Without 'Assault Weapons' Ban | Breitbart

Some guy publicly admitting that he won't buy any more of one side's politicians until he gets his way.

Is this a great country or what?
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:10 AM
 
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One issue has nothing to do with the other.
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