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Another example of problems created by the government grabbing more power than it's granted in the Constitution.
For example:
The Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate marriage at all.
But people accept that it does and cry for government to recognize gay marriage.
This is the wrong approach...... if they'd not let government get away with attempting to regulate marriage then they wouldn't have to beg government for permission to allow gay marriage.
All sins flow from big government ignoring the Constitution.
Some of the blame is on us (the general public) too, after a certain point, if the public refuses to act, like removing a govt from power, we bear as much of the blame as they do. The constitution gives the people the right and duty to act when necessary to prevent tyranny, but its up to the people to actually band together and do this.
The Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate marriage at all.
But people accept that it does and cry for government to recognize gay marriage.
This is the wrong approach...... if they'd not let government get away with attempting to regulate marriage then they wouldn't have to beg government for permission to allow gay marriage.
Can you clarify your post? Its hard to follow since there are so many double negatives, but I think you have it backwards.
I'd be much more tolerant of the "guns = freedom" argument if conservatives weren't out there imposing their views on everyone in terms of sexuality, religion, and recreational drugs.
But as it stands, their arguments ring hollow due to hypocrisy and inability to stick to their own basic principles.
Can you clarify your post? Its hard to follow since there are so many double negatives, but I think you have it backwards.
The Constitution gave the government very limited powers.
Telling people who they may or may not marry was not among those powers.
So....if the people did not allow the government to abuse it's power by regulating marriage, the government would have no power to regulate marriage at all
Gay, straight or otherwise.
So fighting for gay's "right to marry" is something that should be completely unnecessary.
Because by granting government the power to regulate marriage, the people have actually sacrificed their rights.
And now gays have to beg for that right back.....when it should have been theirs all along.
Keep in mind the only reason gays still have to fight for the right to marry is because of "states rights" - the same concept those on the far-right use to defend banning gay marriage and bash when used by some states to limit gun sales.
One can argue the exact details of what the government - state or federal - is allowed to do, but that does not change the absurdity that in America, we are to believe that it is more dangerous to allow gays to marry, and far more dangerous to allow pot use, than it is to sell guns without a background check before the sale. That is beyond absurd.
Hmmmm.....interesting the twisted dots you connected to come up with this
So, facts are now "twisted dots?" Oh, yeah - right-wing forum, where guns are harmless, but gays are "abominations." Right...
Again, explain to me - especially if you're one of the far-right who thinks the government shouldn't tell anyone what to do - why more states ban gay marriage and recreational pot use than gun sales without background checks?
Do you really think a gun in the wrong hands is less dangerous than a guy smoking pot on his front porch or two men marrying? Because that is what is basically being said by the current laws, which is insane.
Wrong. 50 states and DC recognize gay marriage. SCOTUS handed down the ruling nationwide on June 26, 2015.
The flaw in background check laws is requiring background checks do not prevent felons/mentally ill from from acquiring guns. (
And many states still don't recognize gay marriage - again, "states rights."
As for the flaw in background checks not preventing felons or the mentally ill from buying guns... you do realize the background check can be expanded to check for that, right?
Look, when I apply for any serious job - engineering work, stuff in the DoD or government industry, and so on - they check for mental illness, criminal records, etc. So, don't say it can't be done. It's also hilarious insane that as a nation, we're terrified to allow somebody with, say, a history of depression to sit in a cubicle working for an engineering firm... but we're perfectly OK with him buying a gun! Gee, what could go wrong? Depressed people kill with PowerPoint presentations all the time, but never with a gun!
As for the rest, I actually agree with you. America has horrible healthcare - particularly with regard to metal health - for the working class, sold-out politicians, a large and ever-growing income gap, and no job security. All of those are conditions ripe for constant, low-level violence, as we see in this nation.
That being said, while all of those issues need to be addressed, none of that still excuses absurdities like allowing felons to buy guns, allowing the private sales loophole, allowing guns in the hands of the known mentally ill, or allowing people on the no-fly list to buy guns.
Claiming that we can't take basic, sane measures to reduce violence is like claiming we should just let alcoholics drive drunk because their problems are much deeper than the car they drive or the specific alcohol they consume. That simply does not help solve the problem.
Keep bleating about guns. All you do is drive gun sales up.
Thank you for supporting the gun industry.
If box-cutter sales spiked after 9-11 or pressure cooker sales spiked after the Boston bombing, we'd consider the people buying those things sick trolls at best, or potential copy-cat criminals at worst. But every time gun sales spike after a mass murder, we're all to pretend that's a perfectly normal human reaction. Sure it is...
Thank you for proving the obvious point about the gun-cult mindset in this nation.
Wrong. 50 states and DC recognize gay marriage. SCOTUS handed down the ruling nationwide on June 26, 2015.
yep, the scotus ruling requires all states to recognize gay marriage, sorry rambler but you are wrong in this case, and so is your source.
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The flaw in background check laws is requiring background checks do not prevent felons/mentally ill from from acquiring guns. Guns are sold among private individuals without these checks all the time. And some states don't have background check laws. And then we have the pesky Constitution to contend with. We need to deal with the problem at its root. People always say that the mass murderer was a quiet, law abiding citizen, then out of the blue, he "just snapped" and went on a murderous rampage. That is pure fantasy. People don't "just snap." There are always plenty of signs that something is not right with the person, signs that are invariably ignored. Than when the person "snaps" and kills multiple individuals, the public is shocked and blames the weapon instead of the shooter and the system that failed him.
agreed to a point. every one of these shooters talked to people, and the people they talked to were always wary of them. ask these same people after a shooting and they pretty much all claim they were not surprised by the persons actions, and that they feared something like this would happen, but never said anything to anyone.
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The problem is infinitely more complex, which is why we cannot compare our country to Europe, which has stricter gun laws. So Europe has stricter gun laws. Whoopdy do. That does not mean the strict gun laws is the reason their citizens are less violent. Much of the reason is that Europeans actually give a flip about their people and don't hang them out to dry like our politicians do (ie, the GOP). In many states, Americans are actually expected to be able to pay all their bills on a pathetically low $7.25/hour!
you started off so well, and then you made the mistake of blaming the minimum wage only on the GOP. my friend first the democrats are EQUALLY responsible as they had the chance to change that in 2009-2010 and they didnt even bother. second, a federal one size fits all minimum wage fits no one. any minimum wage should be done at the state level and leave the damned feds out of it.
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And when they ask for more pay for their work, they are "entitled and lazy." They want healthcare? The GOP plan is to get rid of it for people who have preexisting health conditions. And forget about healthcare for mental illness. Just pray it away Birth control? Pay for it out of pocket, but don't even think of having an abortion or ask for welfare for the child you can't afford. And what about college? That's not a ticket to a good job either and if they go, they go into debt on student loans.
so much wrong here again blaming republicans only.
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Plus there's the problem of ridiculously expensive childcare, which is subsidized in many European countries. And how about vacation from work? Many European countries get three or four times as much as Americans do, not to mention longer maternity leaves. Then when Americans "snap," we're shocked and surprised. I'm shocked and surprised snappage doesn't happen more often. Stricter guns laws are a good idea, but until we deal with the issue that Americans cannot afford to live a healthy life from day to day, they will continue to "just snap," and people will continue to die
again depending on the government to take care of you?
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Originally Posted by le roi
yeah i sorta agree.
I'd be much more tolerant of the "guns = freedom" argument if conservatives weren't out there imposing their views on everyone in terms of sexuality, religion, and recreational drugs.
But as it stands, their arguments ring hollow due to hypocrisy and inability to stick to their own basic principles.
the problem though is that democrats are no better.
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Birth control? Pay for it out of pocket, but don't even think of having an abortion or ask for welfare for the child you can't afford. And what about college? That's not a ticket to a good job either and if they go, they go into debt on student loans.
