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Old 02-22-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Simple just like at the airport. Estimate 30 seconds per student to have their bags go through x ray, and walk through metal detectors. With 3,000 students it can be done in 25 hours a day. So maybe more than one set up per school. With 4 set ups they could all get through in 6 and a half hours. Might need more than that, how about 8. That brings us down to a little over 3 hours. 16? about 2 hours.

Heck my little rural school with a little over 1,000 students would need 10 entry points to get all students through in an hour if each student only took 30 seconds to get through. Where will the money for those machines plus the maintenance and additional staff come from in a small district?
Where indeed, considering the budget for education continues to be slashed, at federal, state and local levels. I guess we'll just have to divert some of what's left away from actual education and toward turning our schools into armed police states, and at a time when American students are already falling behind their counterparts across the globe.

In no other first world country on the planet do students have to worry more about making it through the day alive than they do about their actual studies. Future generations of Americans won't be equipped to compete against countries that put education and the welfare of their students first. But hey, we'll all have as many guns as our little hearts desire. I guess that's what many Americans consider a good trade-off.

The proliferation of guns in this country is costing us more than just obscene body counts.
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Old 02-22-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Simple just like at the airport. Estimate 30 seconds per student to have their bags go through x ray, and walk through metal detectors. With 3,000 students it can be done in 25 hours a day. So maybe more than one set up per school. With 4 set ups they could all get through in 6 and a half hours. Might need more than that, how about 8. That brings us down to a little over 3 hours. 16? about 2 hours.

Heck my little rural school with a little over 1,000 students would need 10 entry points to get all students through in an hour if each student only took 30 seconds to get through. Where will the money for those machines plus the maintenance and additional staff come from in a small district?
Start with faulty facts and you get a faulty result.

The average school size is closer to 600. Primary schools in the USA average 446.

Sorry to inform you, but this is OLD technology which has been proven effective all over the world in a huge variety of buildings. The process has been improved, the hardware price is now very small and it's scalable.

The NFL REQUIRES them and for each game they handle the equivalent of 100 schools with all arriving at the same time.

Colleges are beginning to install them. This isn't rocket science.

IF it's cost effective to protect students at a sports stadium, why not a at a classroom?
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Where indeed, considering the budget for education continues to be slashed, at federal, state and local levels. I guess we'll just have to divert some of what's left away from actual education and toward turning our schools into armed police states, and at a time when American students are already falling behind their counterparts across the globe.
How about divert some money from snowflake training? Or football stadiums?

So, using your logic, Kansas State University is an "armed police state" and had to cut funds for education so they could install metal detectors.

And Wichita State U.

And Kansas U.

And Boise State U.

etc.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Start with faulty facts and you get a faulty result.

The average school size is closer to 600. Primary schools in the USA average 446.

Sorry to inform you, but this is OLD technology which has been proven effective all over the world in a huge variety of buildings. The process has been improved, the hardware price is now very small and it's scalable.

The NFL REQUIRES them and for each game they handle the equivalent of 100 schools with all arriving at the same time.

Colleges are beginning to install them. This isn't rocket science.

IF it's cost effective to protect students at a sports stadium, why not a at a classroom?
I was looking at specific school bodies, the one in Parkland had about 3,000 students the one in my county has a little over 1,000 students. In my rural county the money isn't there, they are already cutting funds to schools. Where is the $$$ coming from in already cash strapped districts? These aren't sports goers that are paying $100+ per event to attend plus other income from those attending the event.
In a fantasy world we would all have the best of the best, but in the real world someone has to pay for this stuff, and with taxes being slashed where will it come from?
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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How about divert some money from snowflake training? Or football stadiums?

So, using your logic, Kansas State University is an "armed police state" and had to cut funds for education so they could install metal detectors.

And Wichita State U.

And Kansas U.

And Boise State U.

etc.
Universities can raise tuition to cover costs. Public grammar schools and high schools cannot. Where will the money come from when budgets are being slashed at the federal, state and local levels?
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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The size of the school body matters. Could easily take 45 minutes outside in all weather ,in lines , waiting to clear security unless start times were substantially modified. Increasing the staggering of start times impacts number of buses schedules, after- school activities and athletics and teacher/ administrative hours, thus costs.
This is true... and what's to say a crazed gunman won't target kids while they're waiting to go through security? Or when they're outside practicing football?

The reality is that securing every school in the country to a high enough standard that it entirely prevents shootings on school grounds would be nearly impossible
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Universities can raise tuition to cover costs. Public grammar schools and high schools cannot. Where will the money come from when budgets are being slashed at the federal, state and local levels?
But they can raise taxes. They do it all the time.

And there are lots of non essential programs in schools that can be cut.

There is about one "non teacher" for every teacher in our schools. I suspect that ratio has increased dramatically over the last several years. That's a huge cost.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Some problems have no solution.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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This is true... and what's to say a crazed gunman won't target kids while they're waiting to go through security? Or when they're outside practicing football?
Yea, that's why they have installed them all over the country in NFL stadiums, MLB stadiums, college football stadiums.... so that crazed gunmen will shoot them while waiting to get in. Happens all the time.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Some problems have no solution.
This is true. But it's not politically correct to say that.

Also, some problems get blown way out of proportion.
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