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If trained police officers can't stop a person, what makes you think a teacher is going to? Most kids are not going to think of their teacher as some bad *** with a gun. They're probably going to laugh and think "OMG can you even imagine Ms. Davenport trying to shoot a gun?!" They don't think of their teachers as a threat.[/QUOTE]
You answer that question.
Who is more likely to prevent a mass killing of school children.
A- Armed personal present when killer bursts into the classroom and starts shooting children
B-Armed trained officers, Armed trained resource officer -Armed trained security officer at a remote site within the school grounds.
Who is more likely to prevent a mass killing of school children.
A- Armed personal present when killer bursts into the classroom and starts shooting children
B-Armed resource officer -armed security officer at a remote site within the school grounds.
Wait, are you expecting teachers to be holding their gun at all times, ready at a seconds notice to start firing at the door? Chalk in one hand, gun in the other... One eye always on the door....
And since only a select few teachers will apparently be armed, what is the likelihood that the shooter is going to happen to choose that classroom first?
The Parkland shooter never even entered a classroom. Everyone was killed in the hallways. I don't believe the Columbine shooters ever entered a classroom either, everyone was killed in either the hallway, cafeteria, or library. So how would that fit into your scenario? Do you want 20 armed teachers all running out into the hallways at once? Who cares if a dozen or so students get hit by all those stray bullets, at least the teachers were armed and shooting, right?!
Wait, are you expecting teachers to be holding their gun at all times, ready at a seconds notice to start firing at the door? Chalk in one hand, gun in the other... One eye always on the door....
And since only a select few teachers will apparently be armed, what is the likelihood that the shooter is going to happen to choose that classroom first?
The Parkland shooter never even entered a classroom. Everyone was killed in the hallways. I don't believe the Columbine shooters ever entered a classroom either, everyone was killed in either the hallway, cafeteria, or library. So how would that fit into your scenario? Do you want 20 armed teachers all running out into the hallways at once? Who cares if a dozen or so students get hit by all those stray bullets, at least the teachers were armed and shooting, right?!
a dozen hit by stray bullets or hundreds live. which one do you choose?
Teachers are in hallways -see hall monitoring
Teachers are in lunchrooms- see lunch period monitoring
a dozen hit by stray bullets or hundreds live. which one do you choose?
I'd rather no one died. Which is why it would be better to work on an actual solution to the problem then to say a dozen killed by stray bullets is better then the worst case scenario of everyone being killed.
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Teachers are in hallways -see hall monitoring
Teachers are in lunchrooms- see lunch period monitoring
No, teachers are not in the hallways during class, they are in their classroom teaching.
They are also not in the lunchrooms. They are either in the teacher break room eating their own lunch, or in their classroom teaching.
Leave it to Ohio. Indiana will be next. Wait until one of the teachers has a melt down and shoots a kid. Wonder if they are getting extra money for the gun? Hope they have good insurance. One parent sues and it’s all over.
And I've said before that you're a law abiding gun owner's worst nightmare. Like a couple weeks ago when you considered drawing down on a guy exiting through the Enter door at WalMart.
We already have laws for brandishing, and threatening people with a firearm. This type of thing does not happen, unless a criminal is robbing the store.
I'd rather no one died. Which is why it would be better to work on an actual solution to the problem then to say a dozen killed by stray bullets is better then the worst case scenario of everyone being killed.
No, teachers are not in the hallways during class, they are in their classroom teaching.
They are also not in the lunchrooms. They are either in the teacher break room eating their own lunch, or in their classroom teaching.
No, teachers are not in the hallways during class, they are in their classroom teaching. That would be False
They are also not in the lunchrooms. They are either in the teacher break room eating their own lunch, or in their classroom teaching That would be false
"You'd rather no one died". Taking into consideration the various school mass killings, how would you implement your no one dying plan that would have saved all the lives lost.
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I'd rather no one died. Which is why it would be better to work on an actual solution to the problem then to say a dozen killed by stray bullets is better then the worst case scenario of everyone being killed.
No, teachers are not in the hallways during class, they are in their classroom teaching.
They are also not in the lunchrooms. They are either in the teacher break room eating their own lunch, or in their classroom teaching.
No, teachers are not in the hallways during class, they are in their classroom teaching. That would be False
They are also not in the lunchrooms. They are either in the teacher break room eating their own lunch, or in their classroom teaching That would be false
You'd rather no died. Taking into consideration the various school mass killings, how would you implement your no one dying plan that would have saved all the lives lost.
a dozen hit by stray bullets or hundreds live. which one do you choose?
Teachers are in hallways -see hall monitoring
Teachers are in lunchrooms- see lunch period monitoring
Teachers aren't hall monitors. Some, but not all, schools hire Aides to do that. So an $8/hour Aide is going to be armed?
Same for lunch period monitoring. Part time Aides. When do you think (elementary) Teachers eat their own lunch? They do when their students are eating their own lunches.
What you have to understand is that an Elementary school (like Sandy Hook) does not operate the same way that a HS (like Parkland) does. Elementary students stay in the same classroom with the same Teacher all day. So as someone else said, the shooter would have to get "lucky" and enter a room with an armed Teacher first. If not? Well, those kids would be out of luck, right?
HS students change classes. Why do you think Cruz pulled the fire alarm? To get them out in the hallways, but he could have just waited instead while they changed classes. Teachers sit in their classrooms waiting for their next class of students to come to them. They aren't walking around the hallways. Have you ever seen what hallways look like with a thousand students walking the hallways and stairs? It gets pretty chaotic. So these armed teachers are going to be pushing aside the students running after a shooter?
Gun Free Zone? No, these shooters did not just decide to shoot up a school because of that. They were students or former student with a specific grudge against the school who also KNEW what the operation of that school was.
Why was the Resource Officer outside? That is what they do right before dismissal. Don't think that Cruz knew that?
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