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Old 02-22-2018, 05:28 AM
 
Location: USA
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We've seen plenty of threads here about gun violence lately, and plenty of excuses from the far-right to pretend that guns "are not the problem" - people shooting people with just their mental health issues apparently are. We also hear a lot from the right about how "the government shouldn't tell us what to do."

So, let's take a look at what the government IS telling us to do:

How many states legally recognize gay marriage? The answer = 35 states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-s..._United_States

How many states allow legal recreational cannabis use? The answer = 9 states (others allow lesser user or general decriminalization, but still not full use without any questions or problems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...._jurisdiction

How many states allow gun sales without a universal background check first for all sales? The answer = 41 states (only 9 require universal checks for all gun sales.)

Universal Background Checks | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So, we are to believe that people using pot - just USING it, not driving while high, etc. - is more dangerous than selling a gun to person without a background check. We are also to believe that allow 2 consenting adults of the same sex to legally marry is more dangerous than a gun in the hands of a person who'd never pass a background check.

This, right here, is a prime example of America's gun-cult mindset, as well as the utter hypocrisy of those on the far-right. They demand the government "not tell us what to do!" but if you look at the list of states in the above links, there is tremendous overlap between states that ban gay marriage and recreational cannabis use and states that allow you to sell and own whatever guns you want, no questions asked.

In the land of the far-right, I guess gay couples regularly commit mass murder just by walking into a place, holding hands, while guns never are involved in such things.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Another example of problems created by the government grabbing more power than it's granted in the Constitution.

For example:


The Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate marriage at all.

But people accept that it does and cry for government to recognize gay marriage.

This is the wrong approach...... if they'd not let government get away with attempting to regulate marriage then they wouldn't have to beg government for permission to allow gay marriage.

All sins flow from big government ignoring the Constitution.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:46 AM
 
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We've seen plenty of threads here about gun violence lately, and plenty of excuses from the far-right to pretend that guns "are not the problem" - people shooting people with just their mental health issues apparently are. We also hear a lot from the right about how "the government shouldn't tell us what to do."

So, let's take a look at what the government IS telling us to do:

How many states legally recognize gay marriage? The answer = 35 states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-s..._United_States

How many states allow legal recreational cannabis use? The answer = 9 states (others allow lesser user or general decriminalization, but still not full use without any questions or problems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...._jurisdiction

How many states allow gun sales without a universal background check first for all sales? The answer = 41 states (only 9 require universal checks for all gun sales.)

Universal Background Checks | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So, we are to believe that people using pot - just USING it, not driving while high, etc. - is more dangerous than selling a gun to person without a background check. We are also to believe that allow 2 consenting adults of the same sex to legally marry is more dangerous than a gun in the hands of a person who'd never pass a background check.

This, right here, is a prime example of America's gun-cult mindset, as well as the utter hypocrisy of those on the far-right. They demand the government "not tell us what to do!" but if you look at the list of states in the above links, there is tremendous overlap between states that ban gay marriage and recreational cannabis use and states that allow you to sell and own whatever guns you want, no questions asked.

In the land of the far-right, I guess gay couples regularly commit mass murder just by walking into a place, holding hands, while guns never are involved in such things.
Keep bleating about guns. All you do is drive gun sales up.

Thank you for supporting the gun industry.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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We've seen plenty of threads here about gun violence lately, and plenty of excuses from the far-right to pretend that guns "are not the problem" - people shooting people with just their mental health issues apparently are. We also hear a lot from the right about how "the government shouldn't tell us what to do."

So, let's take a look at what the government IS telling us to do:

How many states legally recognize gay marriage? The answer = 35 states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-s..._United_States

How many states allow legal recreational cannabis use? The answer = 9 states (others allow lesser user or general decriminalization, but still not full use without any questions or problems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...._jurisdiction

How many states allow gun sales without a universal background check first for all sales? The answer = 41 states (only 9 require universal checks for all gun sales.)

Universal Background Checks | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So, we are to believe that people using pot - just USING it, not driving while high, etc. - is more dangerous than selling a gun to person without a background check. We are also to believe that allow 2 consenting adults of the same sex to legally marry is more dangerous than a gun in the hands of a person who'd never pass a background check.

This, right here, is a prime example of America's gun-cult mindset, as well as the utter hypocrisy of those on the far-right. They demand the government "not tell us what to do!" but if you look at the list of states in the above links, there is tremendous overlap between states that ban gay marriage and recreational cannabis use and states that allow you to sell and own whatever guns you want, no questions asked.

In the land of the far-right, I guess gay couples regularly commit mass murder just by walking into a place, holding hands, while guns never are involved in such things.

Hmmmm.....interesting the twisted dots you connected to come up with this
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Boston
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some people don't want their children to see what they view as abnormal behavior.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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I agree with you,at least with a quick read, but same gender marriage is the law of the land. I initially thought this post was many years old when I read it.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:42 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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some people don't want their children to see what they view as abnormal behavior.
Agreed. I would never take mine to a shooting range.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEUX9k0npgA
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Agreed. I would never take mine to a shooting range.
A shooting range would be considered a hardened target. While there has been casualties the body count is low in comparison to the soft targets picked by most shooters. Restaurants and nightclubs are a favorite soft target with more incidents of shootings. Far more incidents of shootings than schools. Enjoy the meal.
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:33 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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We've seen plenty of threads here about gun violence lately, and plenty of excuses from the far-right to pretend that guns "are not the problem" - people shooting people with just their mental health issues apparently are. We also hear a lot from the right about how "the government shouldn't tell us what to do."

So, let's take a look at what the government IS telling us to do:

How many states legally recognize gay marriage? The answer = 35 states
Wrong. 50 states and DC recognize gay marriage. SCOTUS handed down the ruling nationwide on June 26, 2015.


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Originally Posted by Rambler123 View Post
How many states allow legal recreational cannabis use? The answer = 9 states (others allow lesser user or general decriminalization, but still not full use without any questions or problems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...._jurisdiction

How many states allow gun sales without a universal background check first for all sales? The answer = 41 states (only 9 require universal checks for all gun sales.)

Universal Background Checks | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So, we are to believe that people using pot - just USING it, not driving while high, etc. - is more dangerous than selling a gun to person without a background check. We are also to believe that allow 2 consenting adults of the same sex to legally marry is more dangerous than a gun in the hands of a person who'd never pass a background check.

This, right here, is a prime example of America's gun-cult mindset, as well as the utter hypocrisy of those on the far-right. They demand the government "not tell us what to do!" but if you look at the list of states in the above links, there is tremendous overlap between states that ban gay marriage and recreational cannabis use and states that allow you to sell and own whatever guns you want, no questions asked.

In the land of the far-right, I guess gay couples regularly commit mass murder just by walking into a place, holding hands, while guns never are involved in such things.
The flaw in background check laws is requiring background checks do not prevent felons/mentally ill from from acquiring guns. Guns are sold among private individuals without these checks all the time. And some states don't have background check laws. And then we have the pesky Constitution to contend with. We need to deal with the problem at its root. People always say that the mass murderer was a quiet, law abiding citizen, then out of the blue, he "just snapped" and went on a murderous rampage. That is pure fantasy. People don't "just snap." There are always plenty of signs that something is not right with the person, signs that are invariably ignored. Than when the person "snaps" and kills multiple individuals, the public is shocked and blames the weapon instead of the shooter and the system that failed him.

The problem is infinitely more complex, which is why we cannot compare our country to Europe, which has stricter gun laws. So Europe has stricter gun laws. Whoopdy do. That does not mean the strict gun laws is the reason their citizens are less violent. Much of the reason is that Europeans actually give a flip about their people and don't hang them out to dry like our politicians do (ie, the GOP). In many states, Americans are actually expected to be able to pay all their bills on a pathetically low $7.25/hour!

And when they ask for more pay for their work, they are "entitled and lazy." They want healthcare? The GOP plan is to get rid of it for people who have preexisting health conditions. And forget about healthcare for mental illness. Just pray it away Birth control? Pay for it out of pocket, but don't even think of having an abortion or ask for welfare for the child you can't afford. And what about college? That's not a ticket to a good job either and if they go, they go into debt on student loans.

Plus there's the problem of ridiculously expensive childcare, which is subsidized in many European countries. And how about vacation from work? Many European countries get three or four times as much as Americans do, not to mention longer maternity leaves. Then when Americans "snap," we're shocked and surprised. I'm shocked and surprised snappage doesn't happen more often. Stricter guns laws are a good idea, but until we deal with the issue that Americans cannot afford to live a healthy life from day to day, they will continue to "just snap," and people will continue to die
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