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Old 02-23-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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What does that even mean? Did you survive the Holocaust or not? You are not a Holocaust survivor just because your parents survived the Holocaust
The labeling is not unique, there are groups and organizations that call themselves just that. Just like parents in suicide survivor groups weren't the ones who committed the act.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The labeling is not unique, there are groups and organizations that call themselves just that. Just like parents in suicide survivor groups weren't the ones who committed the act.
Sounds like absurd, strategic, egoistic self-victimization to me. Am I a third-generation cancer survivor because my grandfather had cancer?

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Old 02-23-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Ethnically German? You mean, like, pure?

The skater's use of the music doesn't bother me, but somehow, your comment does.

I doubt she was making a political statement. It's a beautiful piece of music. On the other hand - and this is purely aesthetic - I usually like a composition with more contrast, more peaks and valleys, for a skating routine - something that really highlights the most difficult moves.
No I mean like ethnically German. If there's no such thing, then let's take them completely and finally off the hook for 12 years of Nazism, or do we just now continue to blame the entire whole non-Jewish white race?
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Sounds like absurd, strategic, egoistic self-victimization to me. Am I a third-generation cancer survivor because my grandfather had cancer?
Then my daughter is a second generation Vietnam veteran?
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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That's what organizations call it. Why not respect that?
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I had to post this because some snowflakes had to express their discomfort at the concept.

It's not the first time it's been done, and I don't see what the issue is. Schindler was a German citizen who helped save the lives of many Jewish people.

https://sports.yahoo.com/germanys-ni...040217348.html
Meh.
Good music is simply good music. A good overture from a movie score has many tempo changes, is always very dynamic, and is very precisely timed. All excellent qualities for a skating competition.

Shindler's List is now 24 years old. So it's nothing but good old music.
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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No I mean like ethnically German. If there's no such thing, then let's take them completely and finally off the hook for 12 years of Nazism, or do we just now continue to blame the entire whole non-Jewish white race?
You'll have to forgive the typical American for forgetting that the world existed before 1776 and that European history goes back thousands of years, and that northern Europe is where "very/uber white" people originate from. (Not New Jersey or Colorado.)
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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What does that even mean? Did you survive the Holocaust or not? You are not a Holocaust survivor just because your parents survived the Holocaust
Technically we all survived it if we're here talking about it right?
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Katarina Witt used it for one of her professional skating programs way back in 1994-1995.

Big fuss over nothing.
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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https://youtu.be/ZJL7cACwNdY

This is from 1994.
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