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Okay, I'll give you that. But what makes an AR worse than this pistol ? What about the Hi Point Carbine ?
It's basically arguing semantics. There is no difference.
There is nothing that makes an AR more deadly. Anything that fire projectiles with sufficient ballistic energy to cause death is equally lethal, meaning "capable of causing death." That's my point, and I suspect we are in agreement.
Number of deaths within a specific amount of time is what seems to hang most people up and cause hysteria, and what any semiautomatic with any magazine capacity greater than 6 does is increase rate of fire. The number 6 is where semiautos outpace revolvers, because reload speed is generally faster with dropping/reloading a magazine than even using a speed loader for a revolver.
From a "per shot" perspective, my three non-semiauto weapons are by far the most reliably lethal (meaning each round's chance of directly causing death within seconds). My rifle, on a per shot basis, delivers more ballistic energy at 1,000 yards than an AR-15 does at muzzle. My revolver delivers more ballistic energy at all ranges than my 9mm, and nothing tops my 12 gauge. Whether .00 buckshot or slugs, 12 gauge shotguns are straight doom inside 30 yards. But after 9 shots, time to reload.
And that apparently is what makes or breaks the "lethal" point for anti-gun hysterics. They think reloading is hard and takes a ton of time in any weapon besides semiautomatics. Like non-semiauto load like muskets or something. Yes, my bolt action (any supersonic rifle round >= 300 Win, really) can end a deer's life before the sound of the shot reaches their ears, but I have to cycle the bolt by hand (half a second, maybe) and my box mag only hold 5 rounds, so my bolt action isn't lethal. My 12 gauge firing a .75 caliber slug and basically detonating whatever it hits...that's not lethal because I have to cycle each round manually, and I have to reload after 9 shots. Time between reloads and actual time required for reload is what make firearms lethal or not...I guess?
It's full potato ignorant, but that's how anti-gun people think. A crazy person with a 12 gauge cannot kill anyone. Nope, they have to have an "assault rifle" or the Audie Murphy badasses in the crowd will rush them and give them the whatfor. Apparently, none have ever run the FBI tactical shotgun course, where you use a 12 gauge pump action Remington at ranges between 5-30 yards, and fire 18 or 21 shells (when I ran it between 1995-1998) at three different targets, moving between different kinds of cover and 4 different shooting positions...in 2 minutes. After the first 8 shells, the next 10-13 got loaded manually, on the run, with the weapon covering a target (it was graded). When I ran it with the Marines for RSF/ASF, the next shooter up had to do pushups the entire time the person ahead of them was on the course, to get the heart going and simulate stress. And they counted pellets on each target. My Expert Rifle medal was earned with a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. I know my way around that particular platform, and it's pretty darn lethal.
Manually cycled firearms with low capacity magazines can accomplish a great deal more than anti-AR zealots can comprehend. Ignorance lies at the heart of most anti-gun arguments. Pure ignorance, plain and simple.
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Just about every student that was seen running out of that school in Florida had a back pack on their back.
How about requiring students to use a clear plastic carry bag, instead ? Much easier to check, and more obvious if it contains a gun. Leave the back packs at home.
Second. Arming teachers. A terrible idea.
XXX.
Based on the weight of my sons backpack, one of those clear ones would last a week or two before falling apart. His Carrhart barely made it through one school year before the seams started pulling. It might be an option if we went to tablets and e-books.
There is nothing that makes an AR more deadly. Anything that fire projectiles with sufficient ballistic energy to cause death is equally lethal, meaning "capable of causing death." That's my point, and I suspect we are in agreement.
Number of deaths within a specific amount of time is what seems to hang most people up and cause hysteria, and what any semiautomatic with any magazine capacity greater than 6 does is increase rate of fire. The number 6 is where semiautos outpace revolvers, because reload speed is generally faster with dropping/reloading a magazine than even using a speed loader for a revolver.
From a "per shot" perspective, my three non-semiauto weapons are by far the most reliably lethal (meaning each round's chance of directly causing death within seconds). My rifle, on a per shot basis, delivers more ballistic energy at 1,000 yards than an AR-15 does at muzzle. My revolver delivers more ballistic energy at all ranges than my 9mm, and nothing tops my 12 gauge. Whether .00 buckshot or slugs, 12 gauge shotguns are straight doom inside 30 yards. But after 9 shots, time to reload.
And that apparently is what makes or breaks the "lethal" point for anti-gun hysterics. They think reloading is hard and takes a ton of time in any weapon besides semiautomatics. Like non-semiauto load like muskets or something. Yes, my bolt action (any supersonic rifle round >= 300 Win, really) can end a deer's life before the sound of the shot reaches their ears, but I have to cycle the bolt by hand (half a second, maybe) and my box mag only hold 5 rounds, so my bolt action isn't lethal. My 12 gauge firing a .75 caliber slug and basically detonating whatever it hits...that's not lethal because I have to cycle each round manually, and I have to reload after 9 shots. Time between reloads and actual time required for reload is what make firearms lethal or not...I guess?
It's full potato ignorant, but that's how anti-gun people think. A crazy person with a 12 gauge cannot kill anyone. Nope, they have to have an "assault rifle" or the Audie Murphy badasses in the crowd will rush them and give them the whatfor. Apparently, none have ever run the FBI tactical shotgun course, where you use a 12 gauge pump action Remington at ranges between 5-30 yards, and fire 18 or 21 shells (when I ran it between 1995-1998) at three different targets, moving between different kinds of cover and 4 different shooting positions...in 2 minutes. After the first 8 shells, the next 10-13 got loaded manually, on the run, with the weapon covering a target (it was graded). When I ran it with the Marines for RSF/ASF, the next shooter up had to do pushups the entire time the person ahead of them was on the course, to get the heart going and simulate stress. And they counted pellets on each target. My Expert Rifle medal was earned with a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. I know my way around that particular platform, and it's pretty darn lethal.
Manually cycled firearms with low capacity magazines can accomplish a great deal more than anti-AR zealots can comprehend. Ignorance lies at the heart of most anti-gun arguments. Pure ignorance, plain and simple.
I think I have mistaken one of your comments. I was under the impression you were anti "assault" rifle while forgetting about the multitude of others that are the same.
I think we are on the same page.
If you were good with a 12 gauge pump, imagine how you would be with any number of the semi auto mag fed ones...provided they actually cycle.
Lock the doors. Entry by one door only , all students have to use it. Armed guard at the one entrance door.
Fire doors only open when fire alarm is triggered. Fire doors only open outward.
No adults allowed in the school, except teachers and administration staff. Parents can meet/pick up kids at a specified point on the school grounds. Deliveries to the school have to be scheduled a day ahead of time, with a specific delivery time.
XXX.
Until a student lets someone in another door or pulls the fire alarm like this psycho did...
A rifle was used at Columbine. The Clinton gun ban accomplished nothing. And the 12ga shotgun is far more devistating at short range than any rifle.
The existence of that website contributes more to this problem than even the guns. How many shooters have we heard about viewing stuff like this before they committed their own terror? I’ve lived around guns all my life, but these websites and the constant near glorification by the media, at least to the minds of killers, is driving a lot of this insanity.
And Harris/Klebold were the same tortured outcasts,
That's been debunked by now actually. In journals, they admitted bullying more than being bullied. They also did not pick out their targets. They wanted to literally kill everyone at that school including those they thought off as friends. Remember they had huge propane tanks they hoped would explode inside the school and then tanks in their cars they hoped would go off after LEOs and First Responders were on scene.
I highly recommend Dave Cullen's Columbine on the massacre, but until then, there's this also written by Cullen
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