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Old 02-25-2018, 09:49 AM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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Not all gun owners support the NRA. Even fewer obey the NRA's commands to vote for its candidates. The NRA 's high water mark of political influence is past. It has nowhere to go but down.

As a NRA life member and gun owner of many self built ARs of various configurations, modded bolt action rifles, and handguns, I will note that not all gun owners are gun huggers.

Gun huggers will die clutching their beloved firearms in an attempt to keep their 2A rights. Responsible gun owners are willing to discuss an amicable compromise to preserve their 2A rights.

The NRA is unnecessarily creating panic among its gun hugging members. They recognize and see the impending storm. The NRA operates under a false sense of security. The large majority of responsible gun owners are not NRA members by choice.

Personally, I recognize that my rights do not and cannot outweigh the rights others. Those that think otherwise shall fall under the impending wave of change.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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It's illegal for a felon to own a gun in Indiana (actually, all 50 states), so how are Chicago's gangbanger felons still getting them? Hmmm...???
hmmm...maybe because of this "Indiana does not require private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) to initiate a background check when transferring a firearm" and some of their other lack gun laws
https://hcgv.org/?page_id=9
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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Well, not really. Vermont an Pennsylvania's laws are far from tough. In the case of those two states , i think it is a perfect example of what worked in one place doesn't always mean it will work everywhere.
Fine. I agree there can be underlying factors. Like in the case of Chicago where 60 percent of illegal guns come from Indiana. Obvious the Illinois gun laws has some effect since why else would the criminal go to a greater and more problematic effort to import the guns?
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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hmmm...maybe because of this "Indiana does not require private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) to initiate a background check when transferring a firearm" and some of their other lack gun laws
https://hcgv.org/?page_id=9
And if a private citizen does a sale to a criminal, they have BROKEN THE LAW. Criminals steal guns, or by them illegally on the street.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I also see people saying look at Illinois's tough gun control laws and look at Chicago gun crime rate . I pointed out how so many of these guns come from Indiana who has rather lax laws.



Why don't these same people point to NYC. A bigger city with tough guns laws that has seen gun crime decrease. And in NYC's case it is bordered by states with tough gun laws.
The state controls Minimum Sentencing and Parole. NY has stricter Minimum Sentencing and Parole Rules than Illinois.

Illinois state legislature has been majority Democrat was decades. Governors of both parties come and go. Illinois had the distinction of 2 former Governors in prison at the same time. One was Democrat and one was Republican. I digress.

Semi- Automatic guns are legal in Illinois. Bump stocks are legal in Illinois. Legislation to make bump stocks illegal failed. C/C is legal.

Counties/ municipalities were given a one time opportunity to ban semi- automatic sales and possession. Cook County ( Chicago Metro) and one non Cook Cty municipality chose to opt out.

Most of the shootings in Chicago are concentrated in 5/25 Police Districts. It is reasonable to assume most who live in the dangerous areas are carrying, legal or otherwise. Most of the gun crimes do not involve semi- automatic weapons which is a curiosity.

Chicago received 55 million overnight visitors last year. They spend jaw dropping amounts of money on hotels
(including Trump Hotel), dining, shopping and amusements. They, like most folk, have no reason to venture into any of the 5 hot spots.

Gun sales are illegal in Chicago. There are gun shops/ ranges in adjacent and distant suburbs and of course, close bye Indiana and Wisconsin.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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hmmm...maybe because of this "Indiana does not require private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) to initiate a background check when transferring a firearm" and some of their other lack gun laws
https://hcgv.org/?page_id=9
So... you honestly think "private sellers" are supplying all the gunpower to Chicago's gangbanger felons and the state and or Fed Gov is somehow miraculously unaware?

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on c-d.

If the Fed Gov can't even track mass scale illegal weapons transactions, what makes you think they would have stopped a Nik Cruz, or anyone else hell-bent on shooting up a school?

Do any of you stop emoting long enough to even think for a few minutes?
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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And if a private citizen does a sale to a criminal, they have BROKEN THE LAW. Criminals steal guns, or by them illegally on the street.
Nope because the private citizen has no obligation to determine whether or not the buyer is a felon. And of course people steal guns but you are simply using that as a deflection.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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So... you honestly think "private sellers" are supplying all the gunpower to Chicago's gangbanger felons and the state and or Fed Gov is somehow miraculously unaware?
That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on c-d.
If the Fed Gov can't even track mass scale illegal weapons transactions, what makes you think they would have stopped a Nik Cruz, or anyone else hell-bent on shooting up a school?

Do any of you stop emoting long enough to even think for a few minutes?
Did "any of you" ever stop posting long enough to think?
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Which rental car agency will you use next time?
Alamo, because it LOOKS like a military place.

After all many gun grabbers want to ban the AR style because it LOOKS like a military rifle.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Alamo, because it LOOKS like a military place.

After all many gun grabbers want to ban the AR style because it LOOKS like a military rifle.
Alamo is owned by Enterprise.

As such, no more discounts for NRA members.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ts-car-rentals
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