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Old 02-23-2018, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I read recently the late Robert Novak's memoir. It was Novak who first wrote about Valerie Plame, which landed him in hot water. The whole thing was a huge exercise in fake news by partisan hack Democrats. Novak covers it in detail in his book.


In 2003, Novak had been trying to get a meeting with Richard Armitage, who was Colin Powell's BFF. Powell and Armitage were regarded as 'out of step' with the admin on the topic of Iraq. Novak himself was a skeptic and critic of the Iraq invasion.


In late June, Armitage agreed to meet. Novak asked him, among many other things, why the CIA had sent Joseph C. Wilson IV, a retired diplomat with no WMD expertise, to track down a report of Saddam Hussein trying to acquire uranium from Niger. Armitage responded that Wilson's wife Valerie worked at the CIA. Armitage gave no interpretation of the arrangement, nor any negative comments about Plame and Wilson. The whole exchange lasted less than 60 seconds.


Later that week, Novak repeated the factoid to Karl Rove, who responded, "Oh, you know that too." A CIA PR guy named Bill Harlow confirmed that Plame was a CIA employee. Finally, Novak looked up Wilson in Who's Who in America. His entry noted that he and Valerie were married, which told Novak that she was non-covert.


He ran the item in a column, but did not consider it as big news. At most it was an example of the strange arrangements that often occurred in the D.C. swamp. But he ran it without comment. He left all sources as anonymous.


The innocuous item slowly built into a volcano of a story. A left-wing writer named David Corn called Novak and suggested that there may have been a violation of the 1982 'Intelligence Identities Protection Act.' Joe Wilson hit the TV and lecture circuit, lambasting Novak and the Bush admin. At one point he gave a speech with some lines that became famous. To a cheering crowd of left-wingers, he suggested that we might see Karl Rove "frog-marched" out of the white house in handcuffs. The whole story became a cause célèbre for the left.


A DOJ investigation ensued, and the atty. gen. recused himself. The baton was handed by none other than James Comey to an independent counsel. After months of investigation, it was determined that there was no crime. Plame had not met the lowest hurdle under the law, of being assigned outside of the US by the CIA in the past five years. It also turned out that she had been outed by Russian mole Aldrich Ames in 1994. Scooter Libby was nailed in the case not for outing her, but for lying to investigators.


It was all much ado over nothing from Democrats and the left. It was a simple, off-hand comment by Richard Armitage that became a front page 'scandal.' It was fake news.

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Old 02-23-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Is this kind of thing why Walmart never has tin foil in stock?
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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Is this kind of thing why Walmart never has tin foil in stock?
I think so.

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Old 02-23-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Is this kind of thing why Walmart never has tin foil in stock?
no, but your kind of post is why city data so often feels like an online version of romper room.


Where do you disagree with me? If you can't say, why even bother responding?
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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I read recently the late Robert Novak's memoir. It was Novak who first wrote about Valerie Plame, which landed him in hot water. The whole thing was a huge exercise in fake news by partisan hack Democrats. Novak covers it in detail in his book.


In 2003, Novak had been trying to get a meeting with Richard Armitage, who was Colin Powell's BFF. Powell and Armitage were regarded as 'out of step' with the admin on the topic of Iraq. Novak himself was a skeptic and critic of the Iraq invasion.


In late June, Armitage agreed to meet. Novak asked him, among many other things, why the CIA had sent Joseph C. Wilson IV, a retired diplomat with no WMD expertise, to track down a report of Saddam Hussein trying to acquire uranium from Niger. Armitage responded that Wilson's wife Valerie worked at the CIA. Armitage gave no interpretation of the arrangement, nor any negative comments about Plame and Wilson. The whole exchange lasted less than 60 seconds.


Later that week, Novak repeated the factoid to Karl Rove, who responded, "Oh, you know that too." A CIA PR guy named Bill Harlow confirmed that Plame was a CIA employee. Finally, Novak looked up Wilson in Who's Who in America. His entry noted that he and Valerie were married, which told Novak that she was non-covert.


He ran the item in a column, but did not consider it as big news. At most it was an example of the strange arrangements that often occurred in the D.C. swamp. But he ran it without comment. He left all sources as anonymous.


The innocuous item slowly built into a volcano of a story. A left-wing writer named David Corn called Novak and suggested that there may have been a violation of the 1982 'Intelligence Identities Protection Act.' Joe Wilson hit the TV and lecture circuit, lambasting Novak and the Bush admin. At one point he gave a speech with some lines that became famous. To a cheering crowd of left-wingers, he suggested that we might see Karl Rove "frog-marched" out of the white house in handcuffs. The whole story became a cause célèbre for the left.


A DOJ investigation ensued, and the atty. gen. recused himself. The baton was handed by none other than James Comey to an independent counsel. After months of investigation, it was determined that there was no crime. Plame had not met the lowest hurdle under the law, of being assigned outside of the US by the CIA in the past five years. It also turned out that she had been outed by Russian mole Aldrich Ames in 1994. Scooter Libby was nailed in the case not for outing her, but for lying to investigators.


It was all much ado over nothing from Democrats and the left. It was a simple, off-hand comment by Richard Armitage that became a front page 'scandal.' It was fake news.
It was treasonous and it was 15 years ago. Give it up.
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: The 719
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no, but your kind of post is why city data so often feels like an online version of romper room.


Where do you disagree with me? If you can't say, why even bother responding?
Because it doesn't fit their narrative.

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It was treasonous and it was 15 years ago. Give it up.
No.

Because it involves James Comey, it is so right now.
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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I read recently the late Robert Novak's memoir. It was Novak who first wrote about Valerie Plame, which landed him in hot water. The whole thing was a huge exercise in fake news by partisan hack Democrats.
You kind of lost me with the last sentence quoted above, because I think most independents would agree that conservatives, especially conservatives who support Trump, are the most patently dishonest people in America. Trump and his followers spread an awful lot of misinformation.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I wish to explain the reference to 'deep state' in the title, which I left out of post #1. Armitage had told Robert Novak that Valarie Plame recommended her husband to be sent to Niger. When Novak asked the CIA PIO Harlow about this, Harlow said that other CIA employees had recommended Wilson, and that Plame was just enlisted to ask him.


Novak wondered about the discrepancy--both versions could not be true. Because of his past dealings w/ Harlow, he decided that Harlow was not lying to him, but that whoever in the CIA had briefed Harlow had lied to him. Novak said that W Bush had many enemies in the bowels of the CIA and this was a small opportunity to get at him. In other words, the same sort of behavior that we saw at the IRS in 2010. It was later confirmed by the Senate Intel committee, via CIA memos, that Plame had indeed recommended her husband. The PIO's version was false.


Wilson presented himself in 2003 as a non political, non partisan former public servant who soured on Bush only after the election. That turned out to be false. He and Valerie both had a history of donating fairly large sums to Democrats. Just like Lois Lerner, and several figures in the current Mueller investigation, they saw themselves as deep state warriors, using their positions to play politics.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It was treasonous and it was 15 years ago. Give it up.
Where was the treason? No law was broken by either Novak, or by his sources Armitage and Rove. Are you saying that the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald let somebody get away w/ treason?


And yes it was 15 years ago, but look at what has developed since then. We've got people like Lois Lerner and Peter Strzok trying to play partisan politics from within the federal bureaucracy.
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