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Old 02-26-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Supreme Court hears arguments on power of public employee unions

About time...Public employee unions hold too much political power..and requiring non-members to pay dues is nothing but legal extortion:

"A closely divided U.S. Supreme Court took up a case Monday that's likely to deal a crippling blow to unions representing millions of the nation's public employees.

The justices will decide whether state government workers who choose not to join a union must still pay a share of union dues to cover the cost of negotiating contracts.


The court deadlocked 4-4 on the same issue two years ago in a case brought by a group of California teachers opposed to paying the dues. Since then, conservative Neil Gorsuch has joined the court, and he seems all but certain to provide the fifth vote opponents need to strike the fees down.


But with both sides in the case — and the other justices — eager to hear from Gorsuch, he said nothing during the hour-long argument Monday, declining to ask a single question.


Even so, it would be a considerable surprise if Gorsuch joined the court's liberals to provide a fifth vote in favor of the unions. Instead, the unions seemed headed for a big fall."

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Old 02-26-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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This is a tough one. Interesting

A union (business entity) is making a contract with another business entity. Looking to improve the conditions for all members, If non-members benefit, can they then be paid at a lower rate since they have not helped to cover the cost of the entity to negotiate with the other.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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The effort to weaken the last intact entity of the once powerful union movement is under way.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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This is a tough one. Interesting

A union (business entity) is making a contract with another business entity. Looking to improve the conditions for all members, If non-members benefit, can they then be paid at a lower rate since they have not helped to cover the cost of the entity to negotiate with the other.
My focus on this is the huge amount of political power Public Employee unions have...in California..they are the 880 lb. gorilla that sits where it wants...I'd like to declaw that monster.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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The effort to weaken the last intact entity of the once powerful union movement is under way.
Well..tell me...given the original reasons that unions were formed..have they outlived their usefulness? At least, in the public sector?

They've become players in the political arena..to a disproportionate extent. I see that as a bad thing.

In the trades...in dangerous factories where employers are prone to cut corners..sure...I like the union.

But white collar unions..have always seemed a bit...fake..to me.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Well..tell me...given the original reasons that unions were formed..have they outlived their usefulness? At least, in the public sector?

They've become players in the political arena..to a disproportionate extent. I see that as a bad thing.

In the trades...in dangerous factories where employers are prone to cut corners..sure...I like the union.

But white collar unions..have always seemed a bit...fake..to me.
Lol, yeah, you cling to those beliefs, and when your grandchildren are working factory jobs for pennies/hr in order to compete with 3rd world labor pools... Just remember how silly you were to side with corporations/big wigs in castrating the unions.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Lol, yeah, you cling to those beliefs, and when your grandchildren are working factory jobs for pennies/hr in order to compete with 3rd world labor pools... Just remember how silly you were to side with corporations/big wigs in castrating the unions.
Yeah..that's the party line---just as likely that our grandchildren will be working 20 hour weeks--controlling systems from home--and we have a permanent uneducated underclass living on the dole.

BTW...castrating the public employee unions does not equal doing away with the unions. It does mean the idea of tgrimming the ranks of public employees...and I see that as a good thing.
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Old 02-26-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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My focus on this is the huge amount of political power Public Employee unions have...in California..they are the 880 lb. gorilla that sits where it wants...I'd like to declaw that monster.
I thought you were looking at it in a business fashion.

Contract and the number of members benefiting. How can those members who pay dues be paid differently. If an employee is written up and is a non-paying member, do they still get their representation paid for by the union or they have to pay their own way.

A lot of questions involved in this case.
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Old 02-26-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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I am hesitant to trust SCOTUS on any case considering they are fine with occasionally and intentionally breaking the Constitution.
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Old 02-26-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The Bloods (U.S. government) vs. the Crips (unions)...

Let the games begin!
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