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The point is obvious. The .223 is very lethal, and the evidence is in the body counts.
What is YOUR point arguing it is not a lethal round, when someone just used it to kill 17 people?
They didn't argue that. The argument is it's not the most lethal and the question is why is it that it's this one that is being targeted? A .22 can be lethal.
Thats what I have wondered about too, all this talk about AR 15s, and no one even mentions the most widely used assault weapon as well as the most mass produced...the AK47.
Yep. The 7.62 x 39mm round of the AK-47 is considered far more lethal than the 5.56. It's similar to a .30-30 Winchester.
Or in the words of NPR an "AK-15". Yep, that was on their broadcast last week.
Bingo. They can produce all the facts they want about how small an AR-15 round is, vs a cannon, but the fact still remains that 17 kids are lying dead right now , so , regardless of how weak that gun is, it sure did the job.
When you can spit out 20 rounds at a target, and only 5 hit their mark, it doesn't really much matter how small that round is, does it ? Dead is dead.
They didn't argue that. The argument is it's not the most lethal and the question is why is it that it's this one that is being targeted? A .22 can be lethal.
Strawman arguments/questions are best left un-entertained.
No one argued there aren't other lethal rounds.
O.K., so as I ask above. Why the emphasis on one that isn't even the most lethal? Aren't similar ones even as lethal? Can't handguns be as lethal? Is it really better for someone to walk the halls with a 33 round Glock?
It is a question of the caliber of the bullet, power and rapidity of the discharge that makes the difference.
What is the question? It's a 22 caliber bullet. The power? is above 1000ftlb muzzle energy and the rapidity? is around 3000fps.
I think you may be confused or incorrectly using terms.
Bingo. They can produce all the facts they want about how small an AR-15 round is, vs a cannon, but the fact still remains that 17 kids are lying dead right now , so , regardless of how weak that gun is, it sure did the job.
When you can spit out 20 rounds at a target, and only 5 hit their mark, it doesn't really much matter how small that round is, does it ? Dead is dead.
O.K., so as I ask above. Why the emphasis on one that isn't even the most lethal? Aren't similar ones even as lethal? Can't handguns be as lethal? Is it really better for someone to walk the halls with a 33 round Glock?
What emphasis? I have not heard anyone argue there aren't other lethal weapons.
AR-15 is the weapon of choice of the mass-killers (for whatever reason). I have not heard anyone argue they choose it because it fires .223 round.
Your problem is that you argue against points no one has made. Its a straw man game.
Bingo. They can produce all the facts they want about how small an AR-15 round is, vs a cannon, but the fact still remains that 17 kids are lying dead right now , so , regardless of how weak that gun is, it sure did the job.
When you can spit out 20 rounds at a target, and only 5 hit their mark, it doesn't really much matter how small that round is, does it ? Dead is dead.
When you have "5 hit the mark" with a .223, you are probably going to have 1 killed and 4 wounded and able to be treated. You shoot 5 with a 12 gauge shotgun, you have 5 bodies. That is the point of the thread.
"Banning" AR-15s (even if you could magically eliminate them) isn't going to stop school shootings. At best, it drives the shooter to use a different firearm, in most cases one far more lethal.
School shootings won't end until we make an effort to understand...what's changed? Guns were far more readily available in the past-until 1968 anyone could order one mail order shipped to their house. Until '93 there were no background checks. Yet back then "mass shootings" were extremely rare. The guns haven't changed...people have.
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