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"Not one but four sheriff’s deputies hid behind cars instead of storming Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in Parkland, Fla., during Wednesday’s school shooting, police claimed Friday —"
And I don't blame them.
This was a once in a lifetime event for these guys. By its nature, it always will be.
5 year old training, a couple of annual refreshers are worthless it confronting something like this. Only combat soldiers would charge an concealed enemy in a fortified position.
Anyone who would rely on deputies, "resource" officers (whatever they are), or least of all teachers is deceiving himself. No one should rely on these people to confront armed killers with any degree of confidence.
Hoping that sheriffs and teachers can protect kids from mass murder is inviting more of it.
Turn in your guns they said, the cops will save you.
"Not one but four sheriff’s deputies hid behind cars instead of storming Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in Parkland, Fla., during Wednesday’s school shooting, police claimed Friday —"
And I don't blame them.
This was a once in a lifetime event for these guys. By its nature, it always will be.
5 year old training, a couple of annual refreshers are worthless it confronting something like this. Only combat soldiers would charge an concealed enemy in a fortified position.
Anyone who would rely on deputies, "resource" officers (whatever they are), or least of all teachers is deceiving himself. No one should rely on these people to confront armed killers with any degree of confidence.
Hoping that sheriffs and teachers can protect kids from mass murder is inviting more of it.
Keep in mind that when Reagan was shot, he was surrounded by Secret Service guys. Not rent-a-cops, and not armed history teachers.
Keep in mind that when Reagan was shot, he was surrounded by Secret Service guys. Not rent-a-cops, and not armed history teachers.
And as a result of being surrounded by secret service guys who were able to act immediately, history records four presidents who were assassinated instead of five. But since we only had a better outcome in that scenario and not a perfect one, we shouldn't bother with measures that could provide better outcomes in school shooting scenarios even if they're not perfect outcomes. Or something.
My understanding is that prior to Columbine, most officers were trained to wait for specialized units (aka, SWAT) before engaging in such a situation. However, since then many departments have trained officers to engage immediately. I have no idea how the officers in question were trained, but its entirely possible that they had outdated training.
Something else to consider: there are circumstances under which engaging is such a situation would be suicide. It's the same reason firefighters won't entire some burning buildings. Charging into an unknown situation (nobody knew how many shooters there were or what kind of weapons they had) armed only with a handgun may seem heroic, but it could have easily resulted in more dead bodies. The bottom line is this: until we know what kind of training these officers had, how much information they had about the situation in front of them, and what their orders were, condemning their inaction is premature.
All the more reason all LE should have a plate carrier and select fire weapons available. Rather than stand around outside they could have been throwing on the plates and advancing.
"Not one but four sheriff’s deputies hid behind cars instead of storming Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in Parkland, Fla., during Wednesday’s school shooting, police claimed Friday —"
And I don't blame them.
This was a once in a lifetime event for these guys. By its nature, it always will be.
5 year old training, a couple of annual refreshers are worthless it confronting something like this. Only combat soldiers would charge an concealed enemy in a fortified position.
Anyone who would rely on deputies, "resource" officers (whatever they are), or least of all teachers is deceiving himself. No one should rely on these people to confront armed killers with any degree of confidence.
Hoping that sheriffs and teachers can protect kids from mass murder is inviting more of it.
What a bunch of nonsense. Was the shooter a combat soldier shooting his concealed enemy ?
No he was a coward in a gun free zone.
The teacher if armed would have the advantage of concealment, not the shooter moving through a hallway.
Do liberals ever think about what they say before they say it ? Apparently not.
This isn't about these 4 guys. It's about almost any 4 guys in the same situation, sheriffs or not. We've seen it happen over and over. Unless you are a front line soldier, seeing this and living it everyday, you won't be able to deal it. And even trained soldiers sometimes can't.
It's foolish to hope that putting cops in schools can solve this problem. A cop in a school might have to deal with a kid killer once in his lifetime. The vast majority never will. When it does happen to the unlucky few, they'll no more be able to deal with it than the kids will.
Really?
The 40 or so officers from the Coral Police Dept didn't seem to have any problem charging into the school....once they picked their jaws up off the ground and got over their shock that the lead agency wasn't going to lead the way.
An AR-15 turned 17 youthful and alive kids into inanimate objects, and you blame the government.
Sounds about right.
The trigger finger on that weapon belonged to a complete and total piece of human garbage -- and most of the Left-leaning idiots at this site would only be concerned with registering him to vote (Democratic, of course).
There is a small, but increasing percentage of the drugged-out and completely dysfunctional infesting the streets of our major cities; they need nothing more than to be "taken off the board" and locked away. If they can be rehabilitated, fine; but right now our society lacks the guts, teeth, and other "anatomical" definitions of substance to carry this out.
And it's quite possible that a future crisis -- be it public safety or public health -- will eventually lead to much sterner measures in the name of expediency.
My understanding is that prior to Columbine, most officers were trained to wait for specialized units (aka, SWAT) before engaging in such a situation. However, since then many departments have trained officers to engage immediately. I have no idea how the officers in question were trained, but its entirely possible that they had outdated training.
Something else to consider: there are circumstances under which engaging is such a situation would be suicide. It's the same reason firefighters won't entire some burning buildings. Charging into an unknown situation (nobody knew how many shooters there were or what kind of weapons they had) armed only with a handgun may seem heroic, but it could have easily resulted in more dead bodies. The bottom line is this: until we know what kind of training these officers had, how much information they had about the situation in front of them, and what their orders were, condemning their inaction is premature.
I seriously doubt that as this is one of the most affluent counties in FL.
If its true, its only due to a lack of leadership on the part of the Sheriff.
Obviously, none of you have ever heard of The First Rule of Policing-- make it home for dinner.
But when the rule is put in practice, it kinda pokes a hole in the "good guy with a gun" theory when the good guys wait behind their cars until it's safe.
The trigger finger on that weapon belonged to a complete and total piece of human garbage -- and most of the Left-leaning idiots at this site would only be concerned with registering him to vote (Democratic, of course).
There is a small, but increasing percentage of the drugged-out and completely dysfunctional infesting the streets of our major cities; they need nothing more than to be "taken off the board" and locked away. If they can be rehabilitated, fine; but right now our society lacks the guts, teeth, and other "anatomical" definitions of substance to carry this out.
And it's quite possible that a future crisis -- be it public safety or public health -- will eventually lead to much sterner measures in the name of expediency.
Just fyi - he was wearing a MAGA hat so it's very unlikely he would be voting Democratic. That part is conveniently left out of any discussion.
Also note - we also lack the LAWS to just 'take someone off the board'.
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