Cowards in Mexico City refuse to see our POTUS (hiring illegals, solution, companies)

[PilgrimsProgress]

Mexico must not be happy Trump will be visiting San Diego in a few weeks to view the Wall prototypes. I wonder if he will decide which ones will get the thumbs up?

[cuebald]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

Mexico must not be happy Trump will be visiting San Diego in a few weeks to view the Wall prototypes. I wonder if he will decide which ones will get the thumbs up?

Mexico doesn't care. Trump doesn't have a right of way to build a wall, even if he had the money. The only way he will get it it through emininent domain, and a lot of the landowners are going to court. Ranches will be cut in half in a lot of places, and it is would have to go through federally protected property near Big Bend. Environmental impact statements would have to be filed showing that endangered wildlife is not being pushed to extinction by the wall.

I would say all of the lawsuits could be settled by mid-century, if he hurries. In the meantime, I wouldn't bet on seeing it built in the lifetimes of most of the people on this board, if at all.

[Nickchick]

Originally Posted by Winterfall8324

Enough of this partisan political play, we should all love and support our country.

Why? It never loved and supported me. It says we can follow our dreams but yet it's filled with many people who imply that dreams have limitations. It has in it people like Trump who find me to be inferior just because I have different brain wiring.
Still waiting for that good paying job...
I respect and support people in this country if they deserve it. I did respect all our presidents (Bush Jr too) before Trump because they were all decent people.

Originally Posted by Indigo Cardinal

I'm American, and I don't really want to see our POTUS either.

I don't either but Trump wouldn't want to see me either so I guess it's mutual.

Originally Posted by Rambler123

If you mean "blindly supporting him is wrong, " then I say the same thing about Obama, too. He didn't do much of anything for the American people, really, and while Trump is objectively worse, Obama was no saint. Heck, I can't recall the last time I voted FOR a president vs. AGAINST the other candidate.

So, yes - when it comes to Obama or ANYONE from ANY party, you should NOT be forced to bow and scrape before them just because they happen to be president / senator / etc. That's the crap that goes in in places like North Korea, where not clapping loudly enough on cue means you might be put to death.

Now, I'm not saying you spit in their face, curse them off in public, or whatever - be civil, of course! - but you are not obligated to kiss the feet of anyone in power in America, much less forced to have them over for dinner or whatever. Respect must be earned; that is what set us apart from the monarchies of old, where whatever the King did was perfect and everyone had to say only nice things about him, no matter how stupid or horrible he was.

Now, if Obama wanted to stop by my place, I'd be OK with that - same with Bush Jr - though neither was great as president. But I would not be licking his boots and, as I said, I don't worship him or any person in power because of their power. And if Trump wanted to stop by my place even BEFORE he ran for office, I'd have turned him down. Trump has always been a slimebag on a much lower level than Obama, Bush, and really any of the rest I've known.

That's the whole point here: we shouldn't be worshiping people in power as Americans, we should not be confusing the people in power with "what America is," and respect must be earned. Nothing Trump has done - even before he ran for office - is worthy of respect, IMHO.

I don't understand worshipping. I thought it was ridiculous when teenage girls would "worship" their idols but this is even worse and that's saying something.
I'm with you. I'm just as likely to criticize people I like as much as people I don't (sometimes more because I try to ignore Trump and am more likely to give criticism to musicians I admire)
I don't even worship God so why would I worship a person and a despicable person at that?
It's almost like they're continuing the really bad parts of Christianity so basically Trump is their God which is a creepy concept.

Originally Posted by Mason3000

Pretty telling that you guys are openly rooting against your country. What Trump is doing is putting America first in negotiations with Mexico, just like Mexico always puts Mexico first. You've become so used to your leaders always making sure we got the worst of every deal, that you've developed a case of Stockholm syndrome. NAFTA has cost us our working class, our manufacturing jobs & to a large extent, the power of our unions. That's over now & Mexico's pissed. Too bad. Trump's looking out for America again, whether you & Mexico like it or not.

Putting America first= putting him and his cronies first
The more of an outsider you are the less likely he is to be on your side hence why he has shown that he would do things against us minorities.

Originally Posted by jacqueg

Fine. But you're not on mine, since I don't have one. So I will continue to respond to whatever you post whenever I please.

And you didn't have to mention "white population" just because someone else did.

BTW, your comment that immigration is not natural is simply ludicrous.

Oh hello come sit with me . That person already put me on his long time ago so he says.
I don't have one either. I don't see the need for it. To me it implies that person has personally offended you and I never get offended by some random ignoramous. The ironic part is they said that when I actually apologized for possibly wording my response too bluntly.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by Nickchick

Oh hello come sit with me . That person already put me on his long time ago so he says.
I don't have one either. I don't see the need for it. To me it implies that person has personally offended you and I never get offended by some random ignoramous. The ironic part is they said that when I actually apologized for possibly wording my response too bluntly.

I think ignore lists are pretty dumb.

An older relative (now deceased) used to join in our familial hot and heavy discussions where her take on things was, shall we say, out of right field. I mean, waaaaay out. She wasn't even in the same ball park with the rest of us opposing teams. (My family taught me to like vigorous discussion among opposing points of view.) After numerous exchanges, where she invariably doubled down at least once, and absolutely no one thought she was making any sense, she would fold her arms and announce "Well, OK, I'll shut up then", apparently thinking she was punishing us!

That's who people with ignore lists remind me of.

[albion]

Originally Posted by Winterfall8324

Then you insult our country. You'd have been honored if Obama showed up to your house. If Trump actually took the time to come you should be humbled by the representative of your country paying you special respect.

Enough of this partisan political play, we should all love and support our country.

Hope Hicks doesn't want to see Trump anymore, why should the Mexican president?

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by cuebald

Mexico doesn't care. Trump doesn't have a right of way to build a wall, even if he had the money. The only way he will get it it through emininent domain, and a lot of the landowners are going to court. Ranches will be cut in half in a lot of places, and it is would have to go through federally protected property near Big Bend. Environmental impact statements would have to be filed showing that endangered wildlife is not being pushed to extinction by the wall.

I would say all of the lawsuits could be settled by mid-century, if he hurries. In the meantime, I wouldn't bet on seeing it built in the lifetimes of most of the people on this board, if at all.

Really? Then how did congress already approve of the 700 mile long wall on the most porous areas of our border back in 2006? That's all that Trump wants done now.

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

From the article - "And there are tips for migrants to keep a low profile once they are settled in the U.S.: Avoid noisy parties, fighting, domestic violence, carrying weapons, illegal activities, driving while drinking or driving without a license or insurance".


Gee how nice. The Mexican government even gave them advice on how to remain undetected once they get into our country illegally.

If you are going to quote the article use this:

We rate Smith's statement as Barely True.

And all you are doing is parroting Smith.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

If you are going to quote the article use this:

We rate Smith's statement as Barely True.

And all you are doing is parroting Smith.

You're trying to falsely attribute what I quoted to Smith. An actual copy of the pamphlet was found on the internet and what I quoted about the Mexican government telling their citizens here illegally how to avoid being detected was in that pamphlet. You might want to re-read your own link in it's entirety.


"Seeking answers, we tried to find a current copy of the handout, which is no longer available on the Mexican government's website. However, we resurrected the pamphlet using an Internet archiving tool. We then matched the Spanish text of the document with an English translation of excerpts published in the Times in 2005, supplemented with translation by Spanish-speaking colleagues at the American-Statesman".

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

You're trying to falsely attribute what I quoted to Smith. An actual copy of the pamphlet was found on the internet and what I quoted about the Mexican government telling their citizens here illegally how to avoid being detected was in that pamphlet. You might want to re-read your own link in it's entirety.


"Seeking answers, we tried to find a current copy of the handout, which is no longer available on the Mexican government's website. However, we resurrected the pamphlet using an Internet archiving tool. We then matched the Spanish text of the document with an English translation of excerpts published in the Times in 2005, supplemented with translation by Spanish-speaking colleagues at the American-Statesman".

Your posts all say the same stuff Smith's did, and the article stated it was "mostly untrue."

I read the whole article.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

Your posts all say the same stuff Smith's did, and the article stated it was "mostly untrue."

I read the whole article.

It doesn't matter what Smith or myself say. What matters is what was in the pamphlet. Where's your proof that those words weren't in there? Did you not read how the pamphlet was interpreted and who interpreted it? It wasn't Smith himself. Why are you so anxious to defend the Mexican government whom we all know want their poor citizens here to send back those millions in remittances? You don't think that they enjoy dumping their poor on us?