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Old 02-26-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Murder justification is not the intent. Its just, facts will sometimes change mindset on how bad things are here and elsewhere. The world has problems, no country is perfect. But, I will say, the USA is pretty safe, barring chicago and detroit..

In 2017, the UK mass murder rate (per 100,000) was 50% higher than the US.

In 2015, The French mass murder rate was 15 times (yes 15 times) the US rate.

In 2016 France had nearly 5 times times the mass murder deaths per capita than the US, even though that year the US had it's deadliest mass shooting up until then.

Lets move on to Australia with it's oft-touted gun ban. In 2017 the Aussies had 61.5% more mass murders per capita than the US. In 2014, Australia had a .079 per 100,000 mass murder rate, the US mass murder rate in 2014 was 0.005, the Aussie rate was almost 16 times the US rate for 2014!

From 2007 to 2017 the Australian mass murder rate was 0.225 per 100,000. The US mass murder rate over the same period was 0.17 per 100,000. In other words, over that time period, an Australian had a 32% higher chance than an American of being the victim of a mass murder.

In the UK the mass murder rate for that period of time was indeed better than the US at 0.074 vs 0.17 respectively.

In France from 2007-2017, the mass murder rate was a staggering 0.58 per 100,000, more than 3 times the mass murder rate of the US over that time period.

The 2007-2017 Finnish mass murder rate was 0.51 per 100,000, 3 times the US rate.

The 2007-2017 Norwegian mass murder rate is an astonishing 1.47 per 100,000, nearly 9 times the US rate.

The 2007-2017 Belgian mass murder rate was 0.33 per 100,000, double the US rate.

Now, there are plenty of countries with very little mass murder, but the narrative that the US is the only industrialized nation with a mass murder problem is complete and utter ********.

I only included events with at least 4 deaths, not including the perp(s), the standard FBI mass murder definition. My US numbers were derived using mostly mass shootings as that's far and away the most common mass murder method in the US and there's no comprehensive "massacre" list like there is for other countries. I can think of the 8 victims in the NYC truck attack and I'm sure there were arsons in there too, but it's hard to find those and other non-firearm mass murders over that time period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...States_by_year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cres_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...res_in_Belgium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...res_in_Finland
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List o...cres in France in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.



Same for the other links
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List o...cres in France in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.


Same for the other links
Norway one works because it isn't truncated like the rest.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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The 2007-2017 Norwegian mass murder rate is an astonishing 1.47 per 100,000, nearly 9 times the US rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
That was a terrorist attack. More or less the Norwegian version of 9/11. Most seems to have forgotten the 2,094 lbs bomb Breivik detonated in Oslo before he killled 69 at Utøya. The total number of casualties were 77.
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Old 02-26-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List o...cres in France in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.



Same for the other links
Then Google it. Stop being a non motivated person to look it up.
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Old 02-26-2018, 11:35 AM
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In 2017, the UK mass murder rate (per 100,000) was 50% higher than the US.
37 people were killed in three mass terrorist attacks last year, however there were 317 mass shootings in the US last year. The UK has a population of around 65 million which is the equivalent of one fifth of the US Population of 323 million, so if the US were to have a figure equivalent to the UK it would be roughly five times greater.

65 x 5 = 325

37 x 5 = 185

Given that the US has 317 mass shootings, the UK can not have a higher figure than the US, it's an impossibility. The US would have to have a figure of around 92.5 to be half the UK mass murder rate in 2017. Furthermore 2017 was the exception and such mass murders are generally very rare in the UK.

In terms of the US The Las Vegas Shooting alone saw 58 people dead and 851 injured whilst the the Sutherland shooting saw another 27 killed (including the perpetrator and an unborn child).

Mass shootings in the US: 317 mass shootings have occurred in 2017 - ABC News


Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days | Guardian

Also if you are going to count terrorist incidents why not count the 2,977 that died in the US on 9/11 which far outweighs any terrorist attacks in Europe.


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Old 02-26-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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You're going to have to be more detailed in how you arrived at those numbers because it seems you've overlooked a considerable amount of mass murders in the U.S., especially familicides.

These are mass shootings that occurred in the U.S. in 2017 alone. They don't include the New York City truck attack that killed 8 people. You can also check other years.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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You're going to have to be more detailed in how you arrived at those numbers because it seems you've overlooked a considerable amount of mass murders in the U.S., especially familicides.

These are mass shootings that occurred in the U.S. in 2017 alone. They don't include the New York City truck attack that killed 8 people. You can also check other years.
Then add your empirical data. Benefit the rest of us unfortunate data challenged people. I will stand by for your data.
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Old 02-26-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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