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Old 02-27-2018, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I retired from State Government 7 years ago. During my career, ethical behavior was crucial for me and my staff and we considered it one of, if not the most important parts of our job. Not everyone can work to those standards, but in government, it is VERY important. People tend to look sideways at us anyway, so high standards are even more important than in the private sector.
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Old 02-27-2018, 07:44 PM
 
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What Great State of WHERE did you work?
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Old 02-27-2018, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Do you have any examples?

The only way it would make sense is that the state has almost no incentive to provide quality service or to act ethically, so it takes a lot more effort for them to be up to par with the private sector.

The risk of going out of business, or having your funds dry up, is what provides the motivation. Not the case when you can take people's money by force, which is.......unethical by it's very nature.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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Having retired from two state governments I can say that some are great and some are lazy. Myself, I can't stand lazy or incompetence.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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Government ethics

It's an oxymoron !
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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I retired from State Government 7 years ago. During my career, ethical behavior was crucial for me and my staff and we considered it one of, if not the most important parts of our job. Not everyone can work to those standards, but in government, it is VERY important. People tend to look sideways at us anyway, so high standards are even more important than in the private sector.
Have you ever seen the movie "Tucker: The Man and His Dream"?

It's a true story of an entrepreneur who managed to design and produce a car that could actually rival the Big 3 Automaker's cars. He was brought down by state government, even demonized and put on trial.

One part of the movie shows a senator from Michigan abusing his power by working with the federal government to insure Tucker was brought down in order to protect local interests (in this case the Big 3 Automobile manufacturers). That is unethical, is it not? I'm under the impression this type of power abuse is very common, since well before 1948 (when the 50 Tuckers were made).

I don't believe there is a senator anywhere in the country that would not do the same thing, whether it's to protect big auto, big oil, big energy, big pharma, etc. Do you?

I don't know how high in government you have to look in order to find this type of corruption, but I'm convinced it's here, there, and everywhere.

Special interests rule.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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I retired from State Government 7 years ago. During my career, ethical behavior was crucial for me and my staff and we considered it one of, if not the most important parts of our job. Not everyone can work to those standards, but in government, it is VERY important. People tend to look sideways at us anyway, so high standards are even more important than in the private sector.
This is true. I remember when hubby had to undergo ethical and background checks to get his gov't job, it took months and he had to jump through multiple hoops just to get hired. It included interviews with multiple former employers... and once he was hired, he was subjected to bi-yearly investigations to make sure he still pass muster...

The fact that security clearance and ethical checks are taken so lightly at the WH now is ridiculous.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I retired from State Government 7 years ago. During my career, ethical behavior was crucial for me and my staff and we considered it one of, if not the most important parts of our job. Not everyone can work to those standards, but in government, it is VERY important. People tend to look sideways at us anyway, so high standards are even more important than in the private sector.
I hear you. Ethics are important in my service to the public as well. Sometimes I wonder why I don't mail it in; some of the general public can be very, very awful.

The 'chip-on-the-shoulder' motivation is powerful, but I practice ethical behavior because my mother and father brought me up that way.
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:06 PM
 
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This is true. I remember when hubby had to undergo ethical and background checks to get his gov't job, it took months and he had to jump through multiple hoops just to get hired. It included interviews with multiple former employers... and once he was hired, he was subjected to bi-yearly investigations to make sure he still pass muster...

The fact that security clearance and ethical checks are taken so lightly at the WH now is ridiculous.
Agree it's even more ridiculous as of late.

Likely because Mr. Trump himself would likely fail a security clearance application. As an elected president, he's not required to undergo such, although one would think he'd be a tad more careful in his appointments.

After all, this is the United States of America, he's not producing, directing, & acting in a Reality TV Show.

(thinking twice)
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I retired from State Government 7 years ago. During my career, ethical behavior was crucial for me and my staff and we considered it one of, if not the most important parts of our job. Not everyone can work to those standards, but in government, it is VERY important. People tend to look sideways at us anyway, so high standards are even more important than in the private sector.
People define ethical differently. The income tax is theft and unethical. If you don't believe that then you have low ethics.
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