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Old 03-02-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Bulgaria refused to deport 48000 Jewish Bulgarian citizens for what ever reason the Germans never forced them to that wasn't the case in Hungary.
It's almost as if societies based on respect and inclusion works better than guns.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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Guns could have saved Jesus from the Crucifixion, too. More hypothetical nonsense.
Nope as he'd have to use it. He didn't need a gun to stop it, he had something way more powerful and yet...
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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SMH...the Germans overran damn near the whole European continent with relative ease. Arming Jews would’ve done nothing.

A better example is right here in this country. I wish slaves had been armed.
The German Army did not round up the Jews. Nor did it have the resources to do so. Every man was needed on both fronts. And the German high command did not want the Army to know about it.

The roundup was mostly handled by the civil police force and others in the local communities.

By the time the major industrial death sites were up & running, a well armed Jewish population could have saved a significant number of people from making into one. Germany was, by this time, in a very bad way.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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The German Army did not round up the Jews. Nor did it have the resources to do so. Every man was needed on both fronts. And the German high command did not want the Army to know about it.

The roundup was mostly handled by the civil police force and others in the local communities.

By the time the major industrial death sites were up & running, a well armed Jewish population could have saved a significant number of people from making into one. Germany was, by this time, in a very bad way.
And despite the "new laws" in Poland, many of those rounding up Jews were Poles...and French too, of course. But the Poles probably did the most because Germany took over their country early in the game and a certain percentage of them wanted to impress their new overlords...and - of course - they both wanted what the Jews had (houses, etc) and were jealous of the success of the Jews.

One book I read (eyewitness who grew up in Poland) said that the day the Nazis came to his town they didn't have to use ANY military force. They showed up with maybe a dozen men and the Polish Police and other authorities were excited to prove their loyalty (to be even slightly fair, resistance was somewhat futile).

And so, the Police Chief of the town who had married a Jewish woman and had one child brought both to the public square and, in front of the Nazies, dispatched both with his pistol.

Two or more lessons can be learned here. I'll list a few.

1. The Poles had plenty of guns - so did the French, the Belgians, etc. - none of them helped them stop the Nazis.

2. The new Polish law(s) don't want you to know stuff like this. I have nothing against Polish folks...my area is mostly Polish. But this is the truth of what happened.

3. In this situation, was the wife and young child expected to have guns and fight off the Nazis and their father/husband?

The OP is rather silly. This "theory" has been disproven more than the Young Earth or "we come from alien seeds" conspiracies.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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The OP is rather silly. This "theory" has been disproven more than the Young Earth or "we come from alien seeds" conspiracies.
How silly. You only present opinion as this "proof" that it's wrong. Opinion based on fallacious argument.

And this went on over a 6 year period. You can't take one snapshot and apply it to the entire war.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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By the time the major industrial death sites were up & running, a well armed Jewish population could have saved a significant number of people from making into one. Germany was, by this time, in a very bad way.
EXCEPT that, by that time, thousands or tens of thousands of Partisans, including Jews, were well armed and in the forests and being a complete PITA to the Germans by blowing up bridges, RRs and stuff like that.

This was MUCH more effective than getting in a firefight with Panzers.

YIVO | Armed Resistance

Now - as the article says, these people were much smarter than you when it comes to the reality of their chances.....they knew they had ZERO chance of savings their lives.

"the Jewish armed underground organizations in dozens of East European ghettos did not see armed resistance primarily as a way to save lives. Instead, they sought what they regarded as the most honorable death possible. Even if their armed struggle was only symbolic, the Nazi murder campaign demanded active response."

Now - I'm certain you know better.....but how? Video games? A particular web site? Cite your sources...or are you just saying that civilians with guns can take on stuff like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHuOMFZKCo

Just that weapon alone was so effective and struck such terror that International Conventions told the Germans they may have to stop using it.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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EXCEPT that, by that time, thousands or tens of thousands of Partisans, including Jews, were well armed and in the forests and being a complete PITA to the Germans by blowing up bridges, RRs and stuff like that..
Did you have a point to make in that long post that actually addressed anything I actually said? I'm not seeing it.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Did you have a point to make in that long post that actually addressed anything I actually said? I'm not seeing it.
" a well armed Jewish population could have saved a significant number of people from making into one."

Untrue. Completely false. Fake History.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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How silly. You only present opinion as this "proof" that it's wrong. Opinion based on fallacious argument.

And this went on over a 6 year period. You can't take one snapshot and apply it to the entire war.
Wait - you say "By the time the major industrial death sites were up & running," - that was MUCH later in the war and certainly not 6 years. Concentration camps were functioning long before they became death camps - but they were as likely to contain Belgians (non-jews) and anyone else who was seen as a potential political enemy.

It wasn't until mid-1942 that the Germans really got busy with the Final Solution.

The Germans were very smart about all this. They didn't announce one day "we are gonna kill you so you better get your guns and kill us first".

Rather they very slowly applied the thumbscrews over a period of years so that people would hold out hope that they would survive the war.

Are you effectively saying that the Japanese Americans we interned should have formed a militia and killed all the Americans they could have? Guns were legal here then....right?
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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The German Army did not round up the Jews.
Please go **** yourself.

Here's a photo you won't have the balls to look at:



That's a Jewish woman, deported from Greece by the effin' Wehrmacht, delivered to Auschwitz-Birkenau and most likely dead within weeks. In 1944.
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