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Old 02-28-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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...this will explain it. Actual shooting with one starts just after the four-minute mark. The AR-15 is in effect turned into a fully automatic weapon, no matter how much the purists might want to split hairs. A lot of ranges ban their use because some people cannot control the muzzle when they fire with a bump stock.

Is there really any practical need for this in civilian hands? If so, what...?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IOZ-5Nk5k&t=164s
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So...it does the same as this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSdVDo

And?

All the "bump stock" does is allow the rifle to "bounce" when held by the shooter-when it bounces back to the forward position, a shooter that has practiced with one can get it to bounce the trigger off his finger. You don't need an external device to do that.

BTW, that M1 Garand shoots a much more powerful round than the AR does.

Same technique works even with a .22 rimfire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1uxD1DtXU
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So...it does the same as this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSdVDo

And?

All the "bump stock" does is allow the rifle to "bounce" when held by the shooter-when it bounces back to the forward position, a shooter that has practiced with one can get it to bounce the trigger off his finger. You don't need an external device to do that.

BTW, that M1 Garand shoots a much more powerful round than the AR does.

Same technique works even with a .22 rimfire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1uxD1DtXU
The M1 Garand is .30-06 caliber with a 150 grain bullet and has a capacity of eight rounds. It does not have interchangable magazines, but is loaded from the top. You can do it with a stripper clip, but watch your thumb. The action on a .30-06 is considerably longer than on an AR-15, and therefore will not fire as quickly.

I'm aware of what guns are and what they do. I was a gunsmith for four years.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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Rubber band = bump stock.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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All the "bump stock" does is allow the rifle to "bounce" when held by the shooter-when it bounces back to the forward position, a shooter that has practiced with one can get it to bounce the trigger off his finger. You don't need an external device to do that.
You make a good point, I always listen carefully to the gun experts on here. This illustrates that any new gun law needs to address one thing only - and that is the rate of fire capable by the weapon system. Not the type of gun, not bump stocks - but rate of fire. There are all sorts of innovative ways to do that, but essentially the gun becomes incapable of firing another round within a certain amount of time. Can easily be accomplished with smart gun technology. And it can be done mechanically as well.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Rubber band = bump stock.


Hell, belt loop = bump stock....
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:49 AM
 
Location: United States
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You make a good point, I always listen carefully to the gun experts on here. This illustrates that any new gun law needs to address one thing only - and that is the rate of fire capable by the weapon system. Not the type of gun, not bump stocks - but rate of fire. There are all sorts of innovative ways to do that, but essentially the gun becomes incapable of firing another round within a certain amount of time. Can easily be accomplished with smart gun technology. And it can be done mechanically as well.
Don't expect gun owner to agree to go down that slippery slope.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I see bump stocks as nothing but a waste of bullets. They are not accurate enough for target shooting but guys and gals do have fun with them.

Of course as others have stated the same type of firing can be achieved by using a rubber band or in this case if you are really fat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKI9S5qT5IA


If banning them makes people feel good then I suppose it is a small concession.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Don't expect gun owner to agree to go down that slippery slope.
So you think that everyone having access to what are arguably fully automatic weapons is a good thing? Why?
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Don't expect gun owner to agree to go down that slippery slope.
No slope. Just have to agree on the delta T between rounds, that's all.

This is essentially what we did when we passed the laws prohibiting fully automated weapons last century. The National Firearms Act, was signed into law in 1934 applying to short-barrel shotguns and rifles, and to fully automatic weapons like machine guns.

Little known fact? It was supported by the National Rifle Association!!!!
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