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Old 03-04-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's Marxist.
the 'free-trade' agreements are marxist
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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tariffs LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD

freetrade agreements and no tariffs are a form of socialism...you have it backwards
Exactly.
Karl Marx coined the term free trade and was all for it over nationalism.
He was a Globalist.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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It's Marxist.
Wow, I just learned here that Milton Friedman was a marxist

This in response to the posts that Free Trade is marxist
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Yea how dare normal people get a little more. They need to stay in there place right?
Abolish the State. The State is what keeps people in t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ their place. Without the State people are free without the boot on their neck.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Without the Constitution, then it is theft to steal money from tax payers to protect Corporate Global interests.
The only reason we are half way across the world with our military and spend more than all countries combined is to protect their interests.
All taxation is theft, Constitution be damned.

I agree with you on the military.

And I was wrong on Marx; however, "free-trade" is still State-managed trade.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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How is the State "leveling the playing field" by interfering in voluntary exchanges via tariffs (aka TAXES) and free-trade "agreements" capitalism?

How is the absence of State interference in voluntary exchanges socialism?
Are workers included in your equation as well where it is voluntary?
Tell me how voluntary this was?

The state bulldozed millions of farms and told the citizens to go make widgets for big business.
There was nothing voluntary about that.

China?s Great Uprooting - Moving 250 Million Into Cities - NYTimes.com


China’s Great Uprooting: Moving 250 Million Into Cities

How come you have a problem with the state involved here and have no problem with the state involved with our "trading partners"

You do know it would be a lot more expensive to do business with China if workers had voluntary rights as they are entitled to under capitalism?
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Economics is a philosophy, not a science. There are no "laws" of economics as there are in physics.


I said it before but repeat for those who don't get it: the original "free trade" ideas were thought out by Adam Smith and David Hume. They assumed that trade would be kept in balance by the exchange of gold (Hume's "price specie flow mechanism").


In 1971, "tricky" Dick Nixon abolished the convertibility of US dollars into gold by foreign central banks. Thereafter, the US trade deficit exploded.
No, economics is a science and every economist worth his salt understands the advantages to liberalized trade.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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No, economics is a science and every economist worth his salt understands the advantages to liberalized trade.
So you are a follower of Karl Marx?

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."

Karl Marx
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Are workers included in your equation as well where it is voluntary?
Tell me how voluntary this was?

The state bulldozed millions of farms and told the citizens to go make widgets for big business.
There was nothing voluntary about that.

China?s Great Uprooting - Moving 250 Million Into Cities - NYTimes.com


China’s Great Uprooting: Moving 250 Million Into Cities

How come you have a problem with the state involved here and have no problem with the state involved with our "trading partners"

You do know it would be a lot more expensive to do business with China if workers had voluntary rights as they are entitled to under capitalism?
We have no need to interfere with the rights of citizens in other nations.

We should be a nation of free trade, free markets and free men.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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Rule: when a poster on C-D says "they don't know economics" or "that's just basic Econ 101", it's a sure sign they didn't major in economics.
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