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Old 03-09-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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LOL right, because no one ever exagerrated a press release

There's like mountains upon mountains of analysis and data that you ignore, in favor of a single, vague, inaccurate press release.
mountains of analysis point to the government, specifically HUD as the cause

housing bubble started in 1995


the HUD rules are a cabinet level rules( not congress) and it was Clinton who set the housing bubble/bust rolling back in 1995

the housing bubble/bust started in 1995 under Clinton

fannie and Freddie...and their RULES SET by HUD

Clinton chief(s) of HUD did it henry Cisneros and Andrew Cuomo in 1995-2000 causing the housing bubble/bust

Defending Home Turf From Attack; Fannie Mae Is Facing Assault By House Panel and Business Rivals
By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: April 22, 2000
Defending Home Turf From Attack - Fannie Mae Is Facing Assault By House Panel and Business Rivals - NYTimes.com

Shareholder owned but federally chartered, it is an odd hybrid that dominates the business of channeling money between lenders and Wall Street by buying mortgages and packaging them into securities. Its chief executive, Franklin D. Raines, is a former White House budget director whose name has been floated by Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign as a possibility for the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket, and its executives have close ties to both parties.

Government-sponsored enterprise debt also is counted as safer than traditional corporate debt by regulators when they assess the financial strength of banks. As a result, many banks have made such debt a big part of their capital base, a situation that has left some regulators and members of Congress speculating about the implications for the financial system if Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac were to get into serious financial trouble.
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125% Loan: Blessing Or Bane?
By JAY ROMANO
Published: July 13, 1997
RESPONDING to the seemingly insatiable demand by borrowers for ever more exotic forms of credit, some aggressive lenders have brought to market a rather unconventional mortgage product: the 125 percent loan.

With such a loan, homeowners -- even those with less-than-pristine credit -- can borrow up to 125 percent of the market value of their homes by pledging collateral that doesn't exist.

Lenders who make such loans say they are effective credit tools that can be used by homeowners to raise cash for unexpected expenditures, get out from under high-interest credit-card debt or pay for home improvements that will in turn increase the owner's equity.

''The underwriting criteria (from the government) are actually more flexible,'' Mr. Levy said. ''They allow more dinks on your credit and a more narrow spread between what you make and what you pay out.''

And that is just what concerns Mr. Bader of Skyscraper Mortgage.

''The person who couldn't qualify for an ordinary home equity loan at 8 percent is now borrowing even more money at 14 percent,'' Mr. Bader said, adding that anyone thinking about taking out such a loan should contemplate the following:

''What happens if you want to sell your property, and you find that what you owe is more than what your property is worth?''
125% Loan - Blessing Or Bane? - NYTimes.com

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U.S. Proposes Rules to Help House Buyers
Published: March 05, 2000

The federal government (HUD) has proposed new rules that would make it easier for low-income house buyers to qualify for mortgage loans, a move intended to help blacks and other minorities buy houses.

The proposed rules from the Department of Housing and Urban Development would require two of the largest housing finance companies in the country, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to increase the percentages of overall loans that they offer to lower-income families from the current standard of 42 percent to 48 percent in 2000 and to 50 percent in 2001.

The companies would be required over the next 10 years to buy $2.4 trillion in mortgages from banks and other lenders to assist the 28 million American families with low and moderate incomes. Many of those families are minorities, housing officials said.

''This rule will greatly expand the supply of affordable housing across the country,'' said Housing Secretary Andrew M. Cuomo.

The companies(fannie/freddie) buy mortgages for homes and apartment buildings from banks, savings and loans and other mortgage lenders, and package and sell the loans to investors. When Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae buy mortgages from lenders, they provide the lenders with cash to issue new mortgages.

Under the higher goals, the companies would buy an additional $488.3 billion in mortgages over the next 10 years for seven million more low- and moderate-income families. The new mortgages would be added to the $1.9 trillion in mortgages for about 21 million families that would have been helped by the current standards.

Mr. Cuomo said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were cooperating with federal regulators on this issue. The Housing Department said it was reviewing fair-lending practices at Fannie Mae. The two companies can do more, Mr. Cuomo said, and that led to the elevated goals.

The requirements for mortgage purchases were last set in 1995. The goals were up for renewal this year, as required by Congress. The housing administration could have lowered the goals or have left them unchanged.
U.S. Proposes Rules to Help House Buyers - NYTimes.com

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this from 1999

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999


.......... the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.


see the words in bold....very telling

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Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied

Published: June 08, 1997
Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied - NYTimes.com
Mr. Kent received what his lender, GFI Mortgage Bankers, calls its ''no-doc product'' -- as in no documents needed.

''With the Federal Government directing it, we've created new products for people who have glitches, hairy credit,'' said Abe Eisner, executive vice president of GFI. ''No-doc means all we need is your name, address and Social Security number, depending on your credit history.''

GFI is a barometer for the industry; its subprime lending currently represents about 25 percent of the company's business. Two years ago, it was 10 percent.

--snip-....

One measure of the expanding subprime market is the number of loans that have been packaged and sold as asset-backed securities -- meaning that investors buy shares in those resold loans and then reap the returns as the mortgages are paid off.

--snip--
According to Jay Siegel, a vice president at Moody's Investor Service: ''Subprime loans have exploded from $7 billion in 1992 to $37 billion in 1996 as a sector of the entire securitized conventional loan market.'' That $37 billion, Mr. Siegel said, represents 11 percent of all the conventional loans that were securitized in 1996, up from 1.4 percent in 1992.
--snip--

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Even quasi-governmental agencies have primed the subprime pump. The Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) have recently developed computerized underwriting systems that allow lenders to speedily and reliably evaluate an applicant's credit-worthiness. The loans rejected by the automated system are, by definition, subprime.

''In the past, if a loan was rejected by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, that was it,'' Mr. Hornblass said. ''They weren't touching that business.

''But now both agencies have set up arrangements with lending companies that buy those subprime loans coming through the automated systems. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae take a fee, the loans get funneled to a lending company that's willing to buy them, package them and then sell the securities to investors.''

The agencies have also, for the first time, become guarantors of subprime loans. In fact, on May 21, Freddie Mac agreed to guarantee the securitization of $227.3 million in subprime loans originated by the First Union Home Equity Bank.

Several industry analysts point out that the trend toward subprime lending has been a boon to the nation's affordable housing movement. ''There are more subprime opportunities that dovetail well with C.R.A.-required lending,'' said Mr. Gumbinger

--snip--

C.R.A. is the Community Reinvestment Act, a law passed by Congress in 1977 to combat red-lining -- the systematic policy of banks to avoid making loans in poor communities. The law requires Federally regulated banks and savings and loans, but not mortgage banks, to ''help meet the credit needs of communities in which they are chartered.'' If one of those lenders applies to Federal regulatory agencies for a merger or a new charter, it must demonstrate that it has originated a sufficient number of loans in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.

According to data provided by Douglas Duncan, a senior economist at the Mortgage Bankers Association of America, 19.2 percent of the nation's home loans in 1993 went to minority-group members. By 1995 the first year of the changes, that share had risen to 22.2 percent.

--snip--

see full article.. Giving Credit Where Credit Was Denied - NYTimes.com

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Published: June 25, 2000

Lenders are not required to cancel the insurance for loans approved before July 29, 1999, when the Homeowners Protection Act took effect, but most do, if only to remain in the good graces of Fannie Mae and the similar federal agency, Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation or Freddie Mac. Because these two agencies set the standards for the mortgages they will buy, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have enormous influence over the mortgage market.
The Mortgage Market - Up, Down and Sideways - NYTimes.com

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Published: October 3, 1999

But it got greater impetus in late 1994 when Fannie Mae, the nation's largest purchaser of mortgages from banks and other home-mortgage originators, introduced pilot programs to stimulate the home sales market in New York and Boston. Fannie Mae packages these loans with other mortgages as securities for sale to investors. Creating a market to which mortgage originators can sell their loans encourages them to lend more

There have been 14,000 Partnership home buyers since 1986, and more and more of the newer houses are three-families. Nowadays the loans are normally sold to Fannie Mae, and the underwriting for them follows Fannie Mae's standards.
1999 new york times
Easing the Rules for Mortgage Approval - NYTimes.com


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hmmmmmmmm

Keeping Homeowners in Their Homes - NYTimes.com

...In 1995, the Clinton Administration changed the law governing GSEs' mission -- the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) -- to encourage more lending in poor neighborhoods.

Previously, the CRA directed government to monitor banks' lending practices to make sure they did not violate fair lending rules in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
....With the 1995 change, the government published each bank's lending activity and started giving bank ratings based primarily upon the amount of lending it performed in poor neighborhoods.
--snip--
These changes empowered community organizations, such as ACORN, to pressure banks to increase lending activities in poorer neighborhoods -- which involved reducing mortgage loan standards -- or face backlash from those organizations' private and political associates.
--snip--
For example, if Chase or BOA made 100 mortgages in a poor Chicago district, and Countrywide 150, the government would likely give Chase a lower CRA rating, and community organizers could pressure politicians to make it more difficult for Chase to get licensed to do full ranges of business in new areas of the country. Low CRA ratings could also disadvantage Chase with regard to government lending programs and make it more difficult for Chase to participate in mergers and acquisitions through Fannie Mae, the government controlled banks' mortgage lending activity rates.

Throughout the Congressional debate on GSE regulations in 2003-2005, senior Congressional Democrats repeatedly inferred -- even directly stated on at least one public occasion -- the US federal government would bail Fannie Mae out if required.

--snip-

In written law, the US government only 100% guarantees Ginnie Mae. The other major two GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, exist in more of a grey area. Nothing explicitly states the federal government is 100% behind them, but it has always been implied. That is why statements of top government officials in the run up to the bubble are so very important, as are actions like the US President personally appointing Fannie's CEO and directors.

From 1993-1999, the Clinton Administration replaced many of Fannie Mae's key executives, including the CEO, the CEO's number two, and nearly half the board of directors. As a government sponsored enterprise (GSE), the President had the authority to make those appointments. The board, which increasingly consisted of Presidential appointments, incentivize them to reach higher mortgage targets. More specifically, the board promised senior executive millions in bonuses each year as long as Fannie reported certain earnings figures.

Just a quick reminder... Fannie's ability to reach earnings targets is directly related to the number of mortgages it buys, as long as those mortgages do not default or as long as Fannie executives do not recognize negative changes in the payment flow.

In fact, according to the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, 14.9 percent -- or 2.1 million -- of all mortgages originated in the United States in 1999 went to subprime borrowers. ''Over 90 percent of subprime loans have been made in the last six years,'' Ms. Bayer said, ''and the subprime market has grown roughly 30 percent each year over the previous year during that time.''

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the CRA/ fannie/ freddie/ HUD/ and the FED(interest rates) had a FULL effect on ALL mortgages

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market(subprime).

directly from the new york times in 1999.




all links directly from liberal new York times...all before GS...all before bush, all show the culpability of fannie/Freddie/hud...and nothing to do with congress(no matter which party controlled it)

reality is harsh
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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That 2nd one is actually interesting. Are any of you aware that after Barney Frank retired from Congress, he admitted that the Fed Gov was largely to blame for the 2008 financial crisis on a C-SPAN panel discussion in 2013?

Asked about the government's affordable housing goals compelling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the crisis to devote more than half their portfolios to riskier nonprime mortgages for low-income borrowers, Frank blurted out:

"No more goals, no more telling the private sector" how to invest in the housing market.

"Barney," Liesman asked, "are you suggesting that the goals of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the concept of promoting homeownership, was something that contributed to the crisis?

"Yes, it was, very much so"


Beginning at about 1:16:00...

https://www.c-span.org/video/?315018...isis&start=407
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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Don't forget
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...is-expert-says

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)
The sub-prime crises was a sub issue in the 2008 meltdown. This is the result of foolish economic policies with both the private and public sectors going back decades.



This chart is the basis of it.

We have a consumer based economy and 2008 was the in-your-face result of consumers no longer able to consume what is produced. The easy loans of course are just bandages and nothing post-2008 has really changed to change the course.

Per my post earlier regarding Greenspan: It used to be the FED didn't care about politics, if they needed to make a change they made the change. Greenspan was respectable when he started, but he turned out to be a lapdog for politics. He'd hesitate in pulling the trigger to make changes when he should've. Thus, since his stint we've seen increasingly volatile downturns.

For those of you who chalk 2008 up to just another recession, it wasn't just another recession. Without the bailouts it would have been a full blown depression. Nobody will ever know the real ramifications of what would've happened without intervention, none of you should want to know. The financial system was headed for a complete meltdown that would've seen millions more without jobs and losing their homes and it could've easily taken a decade plus to recover instead of a few years.

Again, nothing has changed since 2008 to prevent another meltdown. What little they did is under constant attack to be un-done.

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Old 03-09-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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Utter nonsense.
Are you referring to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977?
No. I'm referring to Cuomo's Clinton-era HUD press release in the late 1990s. I already posted the link.
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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This is typically the point in the argument where InformedConsent posts an obscure PDF from Countrywide, and insists that it somehow explains her argument.
From Countrywide? No.

Published by Fannie Mae Foundation in 2000, and on file at Stanford Law:
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"...Countrywide tends to follow the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted under GSE and FHA guidelines. Because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac tend to give their best lenders access to the most flexible underwriting criteria, Countrywide benefits from its status as one of the largest originators of mortgage loans and one of the largest participants in the GSE [Affordable Lending] programs. When necessary—in cases where applicants have no established credit history, for example—Countrywide uses nontraditional credit, a practice accepted by the GSEs."
http://fcic-static.law.stanford.edu/cdn_media/fcic-docs/2000-00-00%20Fannie%20Mae%20Foundation%20Making%20New%20Ma rkets.pdf

Most flexible underwriting criteria. For example, no established credit history, among other issues that would normally get a loan rejected as too high-risk.

And guess who originated the low down payment loan? Yep, yet again, Fannie and Freddie, in the mid-1990s:

Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying - March 3, 1994 - NYTimes.com

POSTINGS - Higher Loan-to-Value Ratio - Fannie Mae Eases Rules - November 28, 1993 - NYTimes.com
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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LOL right, because no one ever exagerrated a press release

There's like mountains upon mountains of analysis and data that you ignore, in favor of a single, vague, inaccurate press release.
I just posted MORE info. Read it, and educate yourself.
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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From the right-wing site TheGatewaypundit:
New Study Finds Democrats Fully to Blame for Subprime Mortgage Crisis that Caused 2008 Financial Disaster


Here is another one, from the infamous Breitbart:
Blame Barney Frank for the Recession, Not George Bush


And then there is Rush Limbaugh, who somehow managed to blame... Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton Caused the Housing Crisis


Finally, there is this piece of fake news nugget:
Democratic Coverup for Fannie and Freddie Led to 2008 Meltdown


And there are many, many more out there in the crazy right-wing world. Alternative facts, people.

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I have always gotten a kick out of attributing the bubble to Barney Frank. It began with Fox News who discovered Frank had accepted $42,000 in political donations from FNMA and FHLMC over a 21 Year PERIOD for an average of $2000/ year. $2000/ yr !

Fox then went on to claim this is why he encouraged FNMA/ FHLMC to relax minimum standards for conforming loans. Too bad Fox ignored that the House was a Republican Majority and that FNMA/ FHLMC lost market share as the bubble inflated becasue most new loans did not conform to minimum standards.
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Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com


Fed Stops Bank Merger; Cites Lending Concerns - NYTimes.com


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INVESTING - INVESTING; The Clouds Over Freddie And Fannie - NYTimes.com (INVESTING; The Clouds Over Freddie And Fannie - The New York Times
1999
INVESTING; The Clouds Over Freddie And Fannie
By ROBERT D. HERSHEY Jr.
Published: September 5, 1999
This is Fannie Mae, the Government-chartered mortgage company, whose stock price has multiplied nearly 70-fold since it began trading on the New York Stock Exchange 19 years ago.

Fannie Mae's main business is raising money in world capital markets and using it to buy mortgages from banks that originate them; it often packages these loans as securities and sells them to others, recycling the proceeds. It also earns fees from guarantees of mortgage payments, which are viewed by markets as the equivalent of those coming from the Government. Freddie Mac operates similarly but keeps more mortgages it buys in its own portfolio.
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Down Payment Hurdle Is Getting Lower - NYTimes.com Down Payment Hurdle Is Getting Lower - The New York Times
Down Payment Hurdle Is Getting Lower
By JAY ROMANO
Published: July 7, 1996

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THAT has changed in the last few years, however, as secondary-market investors such as the Federal National Mortgage Association, better known as Fannie Mae -- which package blocks of loans and sell them to private investors -- have made it easier for mortgage lenders to market low-down-payment loans.
In 1994, Fannie Mae introduced Fannie 97 -- a 3-percent-down-payment program for home buyers with good income and credit history who have been unable to save for a down payment. Under both programs, qualified buyers in the New York region who have total household incomes of $70,950 or less are eligible.
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Homeowners Record Is Set in Third Quarter - NYTimes.com Homeowners Record Is Set in Third Quarter - The New York Times
Homeowners Record Is Set in Third Quarter
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: November 1, 1997


In 1995, seeking to save his department from elimination by the newly elected Republican-led Congress, Housing Secretary Henry G. Cisneros adopted a ''national homeownership strategy'' that eased requirements to qualify for Federal Housing Administration-insured loans and reduced closing costs by as much as $1,200 on those loans for first-time buyers.

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Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying - NYTimes.com Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying - NYTimes.com
Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying
By KEITH BRADSHER,
Published: March 10, 1994

Under the new rules, banks would have more flexibility in lending to people who already owe a considerable amount of money or who cannot afford a down payment equal to 20 percent of the price of a home, the people said. Tuesday Announcement

In addition to changing its guidelines, Fannie Mae plans a national educational campaign that will seek to teach recent immigrants and minorities how to obtain mortgages. The campaign will be aimed particularly at immigrants in a dozen "gateway" cities where the percentage of home ownership has been declining.

Mortgage experts have estimated that up to two million American households are excluded from buying homes now because of conservative mortgage lending standards. These include Americans with minor blemishes on their credit records, for such things as changing jobs repeatedly or failing to pay utility bills on time. Most mortgage experts assume that even people who fall behind on other bills will struggle to make mortgage payments lest they lose their homes.

Freddie Mac loosened its guidelines for low-income mortgages a few weeks ago. But Deepak Bhargava, the legislative director of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a New Orleans-based group of affordable housing advocates, said that Freddie Mac's guidelines remained more restrictive than Fannie Mae's.

Next week's changes in Fannie Mae's guidelines will probably widen the gap between the two institutions' policies, Mr. Bhargava said. Freddie Mac officials did not return phone calls made to their homes and office this evening.

In its proposal, the Fed staff said raising the threshold would increase the availability of credit and ease the regulatory burden on banks without endangering the safety and soundness of the banking industry.

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Old 03-09-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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the CRA was 'revised' in 1995....bill Clinton had his chief of HUD revise the lending rules, to mak it easier for minorities to own home... by revising the standards and allowing 'no-doc' loans and lower standards on the income to home expense ration (originally no more than 30% of income to housing cost) was the start of the bubble.....completely and utterly Clinton and the liberals fault
And yet FNMA/ FHLMC lost market share as the bubble inflated.

Again it was FNMA/FHLMC's investment of their own capital into " misrated" AAA rated investments, not buying whole loans that was their downfall. Once the independent credit rating agencies began to downgrade certain private issue MBS to junk status, FNMA/FHLMC no longer had the capital to offset defaults.

One would think FNMA/FHLMC had more than adequate institutional knowledge to see beyond the AAA credit ratings, do the due diligence and grasp they were betting the farm on junk bonds.

Both were publicly- traded companies loosing substantial market share, and like all publicly traded companies, under tremendeous pressure to increase share value. Their senior management team's compensation was based on short term share price, not too different than most publicly- traded companies. At the same time, FRB is painting a rosy picture for the economy and calling the inflating housing bubble, froth in the market.

I am fond of Hank Paulson's pithy summary- along the lines of "too many were making too much $ to notice or care".
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Old 03-09-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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fannie is STILL asking for MORE bailouts


Feb 14, 2018 - Fannie Mae incurred a net loss of $6.5 billion in the final quarter of 2017 and announced Wednesday it is in desperate need of a taxpayer bailout. The Federal National Mortgage Association, a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) commonly referred to as Fannie Mae, is asking the U.S. Treasury Department for $7.7 billion in taxpayer money


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Nov 10, 2011 - Fannie Mae wants $7.8 billion from the federal government to cover loses. Fannie Mae has already received bailout money to the tune of $112.6 billion.


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2014 Fannie Mae wants $50 billion more from the federal government to cover loses






and yet the liberals said fannie/Freddie was PERFECT...nada problemo
Do you understand why?

Since 2012 the government has been stripping Fannie and Freddie of all their "excess" capital. Therefore under the current structure Fannie and Freddie can't accumulate financial reserves. Under this same structure Fannie and Freddie have paid to the US government way more than the received between 2008 to 2012. These payments are not being used to lower the obligation incurred under the bailout. So Fannie and Freddie sill owe some 185 billion to the US government even though they have paid the government way more than that since 2012.

The danger is if something occurs like the tax cut which negatively impacted Fannie and Freddie they have to request additional bailout funds.

I never proclaimed Fannie and Freddie to be perfect, but they didn't cause the 2008 financial crisis. They also serve a very important function and the government needs to decide what to do about them because the current structure (since 2012) in unsustainable.
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