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Old 03-11-2018, 12:13 AM
Status: "Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge." (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm for mandatory inspections by the government, because I don't have faith in restaurant owners to know what the hell to do. They are specialists in preparing and selling food, not in microbiology and other health-related fields. On top of that, I lost faith in people's willingness to self-regulate in the name of the greater good. Even if the owners do care, as said, they don't have the expertise to be rigorously sure about the health of the food they prepare. In short, government health inspectors take that pressure off the owners, so the owners themselves can concentrate on the activity they really want to do: sell a high quality product for profit.
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:15 AM
Status: "Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge." (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Crashj007 View Post
Read the end of his post. There are people who believe the government should get out of the way and let the free market deal with regulations.
The theory is if enough people die from eating in a particular establishment others will learn from that and quit going there. After a while the bad restaurant will close.
That would do away with all the progress in safe food since 1862. They call that regulation, interference with the marketplace.
Here is a site about The Department of Agriculture:
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal...utfsis/history

Judging by the dozen or so restaurants the local TV reports as cited weekly from State inspections as unsatisfactory, chaos would ensue, along with many deaths and illnesses.

Upton Sinclair was a motivating factor in the system of decent food we have today, among others. He was a socialist and is still hated by capitalists today. You should study him and his work:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-meat-industry

Look for a BBC series about how Victorians killed themselves without any knowledge of chemicals and harmful elements in their lives. Without government control we would start all over again.

"It's a Jungle out there"
/thread
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yoda might be saying different, if he got the death s***s from eating an unhygienically prepared Bantha steak, from a Mos Esley street vendor -the Empire has it's place.
Yoda did steal Luke's lunch...and R2's flashlight. Clear violations of the NAP.

You may (finally) be onto something Joe.
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by Crashj007 View Post
Read the end of his post. There are people who believe the government should get out of the way and let the free market deal with regulations.
The theory is if enough people die from eating in a particular establishment others will learn from that and quit going there. After a while the bad restaurant will close.
That would do away with all the progress in safe food since 1862. They call that regulation, interference with the marketplace.
Here is a site about The Department of Agriculture:
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal...utfsis/history

Judging by the dozen or so restaurants the local TV reports as cited weekly from State inspections as unsatisfactory, chaos would ensue, along with many deaths and illnesses.

Upton Sinclair was a motivating factor in the system of decent food we have today, among others. He was a socialist and is still hated by capitalists today. You should study him and his work:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-meat-industry

Look for a BBC series about how Victorians killed themselves without any knowledge of chemicals and harmful elements in their lives. Without government control we would start all over again.

"It's a Jungle out there"
Oh my! We got a shout out for the D of A.

*Giggling*

Remember that one time when the D of A did this?

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The history of invasive species in this country has often started with good intentions. In the 1930s, for instance, the U.S. Department of Agriculture paid farmers to plant kudzu, promoting it as a “miracle vine†to combat erosion. Years later, this plant is more commonly referred to as “the vine that ate the South,†and is estimated to cover an astonishing seven million acres of land in the southeast. Not only has it devastated wildlife habitat, but its estimated economic impact in the United States is between $100 and $500 million, and that’s not even considering the millions of dollars spent to control kudzu every year.
https://www.esa.org/esablog/ecology-...-our-mistakes/

Good times indeed. Now don't forget to vote!

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Old 03-11-2018, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yoda did steal Luke's lunch...and R2's flashlight. Clear violations of the NAP.

You may (finally) be onto something Joe.
The lunch stealing might have just been a bit of Jedi tomfoolery.

Droids are just talking tin cans - no cognitive liberty for them ... and no property.
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Old 03-11-2018, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The lunch stealing might have just been a bit of Jedi tomfoolery.

Droids are just talking tin cans - no cognitive liberty for them ... and no property.
Two excellent points.

As R2's proper owner it was Luke who was the true victim in the case of the flashlight theft.

Also, if you recall he did tell R2 to let Yoda have it upon seeing them struggle over the flashlight.

I think Yoda has a good defense if Luke presses charges on Dagobah. Plus with Yoda's Jedi mind powers it's highly unlikely that he won't influence the decisions of any arbitrators that may hear the case.
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Every year, 48 million people get sick in the U.S. from foodborne illnesses. 128,000 are hospitalized. 3,000 people die. Think of how many government regulatory agencies are in charge of food safety; federal, state, and local.

Seems like the government isn't doing such a bang-up job, now, are they?
Clearly, they could be doing better, but do you really think those statistics would improve if the regulations were eliminated?
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Boy this thread has gotten very deep over just food inspections.
I suspect that was the point.
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:10 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Because people need to eat, clothe and house their families. They knew that if they didn't risk the squalid working conditions, there was probably a poor desperate immigrant just off the boat who was willing to do it instead.

Just because they had no choice to endure those conditions, doesn't make it right.
Exactly. They could have refused, and then what? They would have starved.
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Originally Posted by Crashj007 View Post
Read the end of his post. There are people who believe the government should get out of the way and let the free market deal with regulations.
The theory is if enough people die from eating in a particular establishment others will learn from that and quit going there. After a while the bad restaurant will close.
That would do away with all the progress in safe food since 1862. They call that regulation, interference with the marketplace.
Here is a site about The Department of Agriculture:
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal...utfsis/history

Judging by the dozen or so restaurants the local TV reports as cited weekly from State inspections as unsatisfactory, chaos would ensue, along with many deaths and illnesses.

Upton Sinclair was a motivating factor in the system of decent food we have today, among others. He was a socialist and is still hated by capitalists today. You should study him and his work:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-meat-industry

Look for a BBC series about how Victorians killed themselves without any knowledge of chemicals and harmful elements in their lives. Without government control we would start all over again.

"It's a Jungle out there"

Mr. Sinclair's work was at the top of my mind throughout my participation in this thread.
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