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Um... kitchen duty already is manned and served by prisoners... guess whats in kitchens.? I am not saying that there isnt a population of violent prisoners but it seems to me that some here have been making statements based on how jails are depicted on TV and movies.
There is no gaurantee of future violence even among law biding citizens. Not all prisoners are violent offenders. Those are the ones we need to break the cycle and get them out of the system to make room for those that arent privy to rehabilitation.
Dismissing other systems from other countries ideas and programs implies that our criminals are too messed up for thise types of programs. Nah ... it simply means we are doing something wrong. Its not like US prisoners are born genetically destined to be superior criminals. The cliche that criminals go to jail to become better criminals has some truth to it.... it reflects a problem with the system and the society that created it.
And when inmates are in "class" and USING tools that can be used as lethal weapons?
First off I was kind of agreeing with your other post. Missing tools are a big deal, almost as big as missing keys.
They use them plenty during work hours, including big kitchen knives, and most of the time don't use the tools for shanking. The inmates like the jobs because they get out of the cell and earn a few ducats. That doesn't mean they don't make their own weapons out of melted plastic, stolen metal, razor blades, or whatever else they can find.
Can anyone ever guarantee that a certain person will never become violent? No. And inmates are in prison because they have no problem violating laws.
The same can be said for all people... or are you implying that criminals are born criminals out of womb? This is illogical and has nothing to do with the discussion. No one is implying a silver bullet solution to eliminate violent crime. Nor should that be the criteria set to improve the penal system.
Violating the law does not imply a person of violence. Hence why not all those in jail are violent offenders. I personally know a few.... mostly for drug offenses.. most are looking to get released.. that means staying out of trouble. The issue is that there isnt much for them when they are released... so they repeat.... and learn how not to get caught next time instead of learning how to break out of the cycle.
Nor does it imply a person of nonviolence. It only implies a willingness to violate laws, even when the negative consequences of doing so are known.
Great circular argument usually when one has no point except to argue for the sake of arguing.
Nor does it imply violence. Implies they violate laws but doesnt mean they are violent and not capable of rehabilitation. Circle around once again? Or do you have a point to make except repeating the idea that all criminals are the same.
First off I was kind of agreeing with your other post. Missing tools are a big deal, almost as big as missing keys.
They use them plenty during work hours, including big kitchen knives, and most of the time don't use the tools for shanking. The inmates like the jobs because they get out of the cell and earn a few ducats. That doesn't mean they don't make their own weapons out of melted plastic, stolen metal, razor blades, or whatever else they can find.
yup... a little more reasonable and realistic depiction. Now if the same job or role (kitchen duty) backed by the incentives (ducats) can keep some in line then there is something to work with... The issue i see is it falls apart after release. Being considered unemployable doesnt help. For drug offenses, jail serves as detox but not much else in ways of support and joblessness usually means they go back to the one job they can get... dealing
Great circular argument usually when one has no point except to argue for the sake of arguing.
That's not a circular argument. It's a statement of fact. Inmates are in prison due to their willingness to violate laws, even when the negative consequences of doing so are known.
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usually when one has no point except to argue for the sake of arguing.
