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Old 03-13-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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Oh, sure, kids from high socioeconomic groups score better. Do you know why?
so you're literally making my argument for me then?
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Unless vouchers are $10,000+/student, the average student is not going to be getting into one of the private schools in the Raleigh Durham area.

NC voucher is $4,200/student. Some high performing students are given scholarships for the remainder by the private school that accepts them. For others, the parents make up the difference.

Vouchers not covering all costs for NC private school students | News & Observer
this is another fact most people don't notice. It's not like vouchers are going to allow every kid in the nation to attend Choate or Exeter. what we'll end up with is a 4K voucher for a 10K school and vastly defunded public schools, so lose/lose for most. But the Trumpsters will keep parroting buzzards like "choice' and "freedom' with 0 understanding of the issue.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:38 AM
 
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How about we get corrupt, public sector unions (Democrat lobbying groups) like the American Federation of Teachers, and NEA OUT of education, and free up teachers to teach instead of progressive indoctrination?
working out so well in Oklahoma and Kansas, right?
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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Justification for selective admissions?

US K-12 public school system?: substandard compared to the rest of the world.

US college/university system including state colleges/universities?: Best in the world.
you really do love overly simple answer to complex problems, don't you?
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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this is another fact most people don't notice. It's not like vouchers are going to allow every kid in the nation to attend Choate or Exeter. what we'll end up with is a 4K voucher for a 10K school and vastly defunded public schools, so lose/lose for most. But the Trumpsters will keep parroting buzzards like "choice' and "freedom' with 0 understanding of the issue.
Why only $4K? Average US spending per pupil is $11,800 as of 2013. The current spending per pupil should be the value amount of the voucher.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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you really do love overly simple answer to complex problems, don't you?
Frequently, the simple solution is best. To wit: the US college/university system's selective admissions. Result? It's the best in the world.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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Unless vouchers are $10,000+/student, the average student is not going to be getting into one of the private schools in the Raleigh Durham area.

NC voucher is $4,200/student. Some high performing students are given scholarships for the remainder by the private school that accepts them. For others, the parents make up the difference.

Vouchers not covering all costs for NC private school students | News & Observer
Yes, that was the game they were trying to play in Nevada with their school voucher program, take money away from schools, give parents 5k a year for a private school with a tuition of 9-11k. Fortunately after a few court battles and a different legislature it got killed.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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Why only $4K? Average US spending per pupil is $11,800 as of 2013. The current spending per pupil should be the value amount of the voucher.
maybe ask legislators. Are you naive enough to think they will hand you an 11K check each year?
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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Frequently, the simple solution is best. To wit: the US college/university system's selective admissions. Result? It's the best in the world.
again, overly simplistic answer. No real thought or understanding of the context or the repercussions. Just another Trump line " It's so easy"
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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Why only $4K? Average US spending per pupil is $11,800 as of 2013. The current spending per pupil should be the value amount of the voucher.
That's ridiculous you can't carve out the entire expense of educating a child and write parents a check for it. You still have to pay teachers and maintain the schools, what do you think, those costs just go away when a kid gets a voucher? The truth is that when you put more kids in private and charter schools the cost of public education increases because the student population ends up having a larger concentration of expensive to teach kids, i.e physically disabled, slow learners and ELL kids.

I'm surprised that you would need to have that explained to you
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