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Old 03-13-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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Why only $4K? Average US spending per pupil is $11,800 as of 2013. The current spending per pupil should be the value amount of the voucher.
One problem with the public school system is that its administration heavy. My experience is smaller districts with just a few schools teach much better than the large city public school districts which are top heavy.

Allowing vouchers and single schools not part of some bigger district would cost a lot less to operate.

On top of that school districts will operate on whatever they are given. Given them 20K per pupil and it will be spent and likely without better results.

Good example the trade tech schools have operated in the past on the student loans they are approved for. Not necessarily what they need but that is not what is important.

I believe you create a system where $5k per pupil is the budget and do it in a free market way and the voucher schools will make it work. If one school does a poor job of educating the kids the parents can move them to the school down the street. The way it is now a poor family with kids in the local public school who are not happy with the results have zero options.

Competition is what is lacking in our public school monopoly.

Time to think outside the box. Why do we give a 2 or 3 month summer vacation for most schools? Its not like the kids need to go out and work on family farms which was the original reason for it. Cut that out and that would lower costs.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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maybe ask legislators. Are you naive enough to think they will hand you an 11K check each year?
Why not? If kids can get a better education elsewhere, isn't that money better spent? Why keep paying for subpar?
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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That's ridiculous you can't carve out the entire expense of educating a child and write parents a check for it. You still have to pay teachers and maintain the schools
Exactly, and that expense is reduced when the number of students decline. Ask any school district. They lay off personnel and close part/whole facilities when enrollment declines.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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Why not? If kids can get a better education elsewhere, isn't that money better spent? Why keep paying for subpar?
Because if you are big time union lefty and you see the union influence dwindling and the fact that the teachers union is the largest public sector union left in the US then you say anything to keep them around, the kids are secondary.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Kids form private schools score way better in aptitude tests than counterparts in the public system.


https://wma.edu/private-school-stude...al-sat-scores/

Devos does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out American kids would fare better in a private system.
This is very threatening to the left who relies on victims.
And indoctrination platforms...
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Maybe somebody will have the answer to that right after they have the answer to what Jared and Ivanka are being paid to do, lol.
I don't think Jared and Ivanka are being paid. At least they aren't receiving a government paycheck. But they may still benefit, and handsomely, from government policies and actions they are involved in.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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Kids form private schools score way better in aptitude tests than counterparts in the public system.

https://wma.edu/private-school-stude...al-sat-scores/

Devos does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out American kids would fare better in a private system.
This is very threatening to the left who relies on victims.
Your link is from a private school so that might have something to do with their claim, but I have no idea if the data is accurate or not. It wouldn't surprise me if private schools have higher SAT scores though, they pick the students they want, the don't have to take a kid who has learning disabilities or behavioral problems
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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So throw less and less money at schools and expect better results?
No, make districts compete for the same pool of money with private schools. Maybe they'll realize it's the good TEACHERS that make the school work not top heavy big $$$$$ administrations and tenured crud teachers...

I watched the painful DeVos interview and wonder what she's actually like when there are no cameras or potential "gotcha" questions flying. She may just be very poor at the media thing. I don't believe she's stupid or inept, it's certainly possible she's in over her head though.

None of that has anything to do with the good idea of school vouchers/school choice though...
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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One problem with the public school system is that its administration heavy. My experience is smaller districts with just a few schools teach much better than the large city public school districts which are top heavy.

Allowing vouchers and single schools not part of some bigger district would cost a lot less to operate.

On top of that school districts will operate on whatever they are given. Given them 20K per pupil and it will be spent and likely without better results.

Good example the trade tech schools have operated in the past on the student loans they are approved for. Not necessarily what they need but that is not what is important.

I believe you create a system where $5k per pupil is the budget and do it in a free market way and the voucher schools will make it work. If one school does a poor job of educating the kids the parents can move them to the school down the street. The way it is now a poor family with kids in the local public school who are not happy with the results have zero options.

Competition is what is lacking in our public school monopoly.

Time to think outside the box. Why do we give a 2 or 3 month summer vacation for most schools? Its not like the kids need to go out and work on family farms which was the original reason for it. Cut that out and that would lower costs.
Exactly! If the union run public education system is so wonderful then why are they so afraid of competition? Wouldn't the public system flourish in a competitive situation if they're so great?

Why shouldn't consumers of a very important product have choices? That is the question...
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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Yes. And here's why...

US public schools have destroyed Americans minds. Here's how... Look at the NAEP results I posted. That's how we got here...

Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:

Mathematics:

Overall: 26%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 33%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 12%
Hispanic: 12%
Black: 7%

Reading:

Overall: 38%


Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 47%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 26%
Hispanic: 23%
Black: 16%

National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP - 12th Grade Mathematics and Reading

Now... How and why that abysmal result happened...

The dumbing-down began 50+ years ago as intentional 'social engineering' with the goal of creating more equal educational outcomes (and therefore more equal socioeconomic outcomes) and greater social cohesion. Naturally, none of the desired goals were achieved, and now we just have a colossal societal disaster of epic proportions.

A college professor has done the research, and tells us what has happened and why...
The Other Crisis in American Education - The Atlantic

Much more at the link.

This is the quintessential, most epic failure of the SJW mentality, and it has done irreparable harm to our country.

Have your kids in public school? You better supplement. A LOT!
Converting proficiency ratings to letter grades:
Advanced -- A
Proficient -- B
Basic -- C
Minimal -- D/F

Do you really expect everyone to be a B-student? The entire U. S. isn't Lake Wobegon.
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