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Old 03-15-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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Easy, school vouchers is a start... The purchasers of a product (school taxes/education) have a right to buy whatever product they think serves them the best. If it's homeschooling then they should get the per pupil payment that schools get to pay for whatever homeschool program they're using...
I as the taxpayer am the purchaser of the product--an educated populace. I don't consider the parents or students to be the primary purchasers, but rather the beneficiaries of the schooling. For people who opt out of public education, the cost should be entirely on them. That includes homeschooling and private school.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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Easy, school vouchers is a start... The purchasers of a product (school taxes/education) have a right to buy whatever product they think serves them the best. If it's homeschooling then they should get the per pupil payment that schools get in an "ESA" (Education Savings Account) to pay for whatever homeschool program they're using.
Time for the Public education monopoly to end...
Absolutely 100%!
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Supporting student/family choice by supporting school vouchers. I'm pro-choice.
Still no answer to my questions. So your contribution to improving education is holding a political position? That is, no substantive contribution at all, just talk.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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Still no answer to my questions.
I answered them. You're ignoring the facts because you wish to continue to endorse your political ideology. That's on YOU.

But if you have your own kids in public schools, supplement. A LOT!
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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No, that might be your assertion, but you have completely invented that statement. I said that Head Start does not use certified, college-educated early childhood specialists. Have you any experience with Head Start? Have you seen the ads they run for director's positions? They do not hold teacher's licenses and while college is desirable for the teachers, it is not necessary. Head Start is also a half-day program, unlike most public school pre-school classes.

Fraud would exist if the government represented Head Start for something other than it is, which is a program to mitigate the conditions in which poor children live. No one in government has claimed anything more than that.

Do you have any experience with poor people? Surely you know that they are individuals like everyone else. They may be uneducated, but they are not generally stupid.

What schools do you advocate for the poorest of the poor? Some choose none. Do you?

I think you see corners where there are none.

Now, can you tell me where 75% of the children are above average? How did that happen and can it be replicated?
These are the questions to which I was referring. I can't recall you answering any of them. As far as vouchers for the poorest of the poor, there aren't enough schools around to take them. Additionally, considering that the private schools don't want the poorest students, all they have to do to exclude them is to raise the cost of attendance to above whatever the vouchers would cover.

Our state can't even fund our public schools as it is. The private schools cost well over the per-pupil amount provided for public school students. Explain how vouchers for school choice will work when there are no voucher schools from which to choose.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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I did provide details. Read the links I posted. Educate yourself.
you provided the same arbitrary links again and again with no cogent thought attached. You simply state the same sentence/phrase over and over again with no fleshed out policy. Just "simple" answers to complex problems, with logic an inch deep. I've asked constructive questions to offer you a chance to flesh out your or add some gravitas to your banal clichés. Yet after 12 plus chances you've done nothing which pretty much confirms you've got zip. Please feel free to come back with a wise retort or your super sweet stats again; however short of actual details or thought I'll you'll have nothing left save empty deflections and buzzwords.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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These are the questions to which I was referring. I can't recall you answering any of them. As far as vouchers for the poorest of the poor, there aren't enough schools around to take them. Additionally, considering that the private schools don't want the poorest students, all they have to do to exclude them is to raise the cost of attendance to above whatever the vouchers would cover.

Our state can't even fund our public schools as it is. The private schools cost well over the per-pupil amount provided for public school students. Explain how vouchers for school choice will work when there are no voucher schools from which to choose.


This seems to be this poster's MO, answer no actual question b/c all they have is political jargon with a knowledge base an inch deep.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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These are the questions to which I was referring. I can't recall you answering any of them. As far as vouchers for the poorest of the poor, there aren't enough schools around to take them.
THAT'S the problem. Without flexible education funding that includes vouchers, the vast majority of students in public schools will be severely under-educated. We have both the NAEP and OECD testing results which prove exactly that.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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you provided the same arbitrary links again and again with no cogent thought attached.
Arbitrary? NAEP and OECD results are "arbitrary?"

It's pretty clear to most that you're just making excuses at this point.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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Easy, school vouchers is a start... The purchasers of a product (school taxes/education) have a right to buy whatever product they think serves them the best. If it's homeschooling then they should get the per pupil payment that schools get in an "ESA" (Education Savings Account) to pay for whatever homeschool program they're using.
Time for the Public education monopoly to end...


so after all this time your best answer is a random sampling of non-sense. How do vouchers handle special ed students? As this is where bulk of public education spending and resources go. How do we ensure vouchers solve problems for parents if they don't cover full cost of education (again as most private schools lack resources to deal with special ed/needs students. How is home schooling valid more any family where both parents work? How do we ensure homeschooling meets any basic let alone rigorous standards? Unless you love freedom so much you're fine with home schools that teach XBOX and Jesus? You've literally got nothing, just buzzwords and overly simplistic fairy tails...
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