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Old 03-13-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is always interesting to see some of the same conservative posters that think the government that is waiting to take their guns, lying to them about climate change and is one of the least trustworthy, most corrupt organizations the world has ever seen is going to be completely honest about the justification for and the methods it uses to torture people. Weird how these paranoid, conspiracy nuts don't trust a word that comes out of a government official's mouth unless it involves giving government unfettered power to arrest, detain and torture anyone they choose without a trial or public hearing.
And you believing that standing trial in the State's court under charges from their fictional laws interests me.

Life is funny like that.

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Old 03-13-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I don't care for war criminals regardless of gender.
She isn't a "war criminal." Are you a one person prosecutor, judge, and jury?

She has never been charged with any "war crimes."
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So Hillary should be prosecuted for Benghazi, right? Even if she is a "woman"?
Exactly. By the Left's own definition, Hillary is a "war criminal." After all, she was responsible for the Benghazi compound and failed to secure it, resulting in the deaths of four Americans. Worse, once the attack began, she did nothing but watch.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Bam! Spot on!
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:06 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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We don't go by their definitions. Waterboarding is not torture.

The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights does not set standards for the United States, nor does it dictate how we prosecute a war. The U.S. tortured nobody.
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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We don't go by their definitions. Waterboarding is not torture.

The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights does not set standards for the United States, nor does it dictate how we prosecute a war. The U.S. tortured nobody.
Odd..how you phrased that--first you defiantly state that the US needs no permission to do what they want..and that no one sets standards for the US..and then you deny that there ever was any torture--even though everyone who follows this knows that there was..and that calling it 'enhanced interrogation' does not change a thing.
I do think though..that having a CIA Director who can travel to Europe without arrest to be a plus...


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/prosecutors-reviewing-request-to-issue-arrest-warrant-for-trump’s-new-cia-director/ar-BBKbawG?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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"Federal prosecutors in Munich are currently reviewing a request to issue an arrest warrant for Gina Haspel, President Donald Trump‘s recently named director of the Central Intelligence Agency (“CIA”).
Haspel currently serves as the deputy director for the CIA and her nomination to head the agency must be approved by the U.S. Senate. Prior to her appointment as CIA deputy director, Haspel controversially ran a secret CIA prison in Thailand used to house, question, and allegedly torture detainees during the second Bush administration’s War on Terror.
Haspel’s tenure as “Chief of Base” at the prison–and what she did while serving in that role–is the subject of the arrest warrant request.
On June 6, 2017, the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (“ECCHR”) initiated a request for legal action against Haspel by filing an intervention with the German Federal Public Prosecutor, the foremost law enforcement authority in the Federal Republic of Germany. This office is led by Attorney General Peter Frank.
ECCHR’s legal intervention was made by way of a 6-page document titled, “CIA Torture: Submission on Gina Haspel to German Federal Prosecutor.” Immediately after ECCHR submitted their request, Frank’s office confirmed that this request was received and was being formally reviewed.
The German equivalent of PBS, the investigation into Haspel is presently ongoing and Frank’s office has yet to rule on ECCHR’s request. ECCHR reiterated their request in February 2017–when Haspel was named deputy director of the CIA. ECCHR’s request was once again reiterated on Tuesday–after news broke regarding Haspel’s potential promotion.
ECCHR’s request is based on an alleged violation of the European Convention on Human Rights’ Article 3. This article prohibits torture and “inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.” "
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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But I thought Hillary just told everyone, on her trip to India, that Trump hated giving jobs to women? And that we women who voted for him were bullied by our bosses, husbands and sons to vote for him and not her?

I'm confused. Can some man help me?
Hurry, get out the "mansplaining"...
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Orange County/Las Vegas
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It's about revenge, then. You advocate waterboarding and other torture because you think they "deserve" it. They torture people because they think they "deserve" it. Which makes you no better than the terrorists you abhor.
It has nothing to do with revenge. It has to do with getting information so more innocent aren't killed and maimed by these animals. How else do you think they are supposed to get information? Be nice and polite and lavish them with luxuries?
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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They aren't wrong. Torture is wrong. And the good guys don't torture people. Period. We are supposed to be the good guys, no?
According to the legal minds at the time it was totally legal. That right there kills your argument.
Good guys don't torture? And good guys don't kill innocents, good guys don't lie,good guys don't cheat, good guys don't do a whole lot of things that every government including ours does in a perfect world.

I'd love to know exactly which world you live in 'cause it's not this one, the one called reality...
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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I do think though..that having a CIA Director who can travel to Europe without arrest to be a plus...
She’d be on a diplomatic passport so that’s meaningless.
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