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Old 03-26-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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I hope she is confirmed.
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Old 03-26-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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So did she oversee torture or not?
According to the article the best guess is "Maybe?"

She ran a site where, according to the article, two prisoners had been tortured previously. It does not say she oversaw torture during her time as chief of base nor does it say she did not oversee torture during her time as chief of base.

She ran a site in Thailand that two prisoners were tortured at prior to her arrival.


If someone was murdered in your home prior to you moving in, does that mean you are a murderer?

"Maybe?"
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Old 03-26-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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According to the article the best guess is "Maybe?"

She ran a site where, according to the article, two prisoners had been tortured previously. It does not say she oversaw torture during her time as chief of base nor does it say she did not oversee torture during her time as chief of base.

She ran a site in Thailand that two prisoners were tortured at prior to her arrival.


If someone was murdered in your home prior to you moving in, does that mean you are a murderer?

"Maybe?"
She ran a site and oversaw interrogation using techniques that we would call torture.

https://www.justsecurity.org/54068/g...ca-correction/
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Everybody who loathes the Deep State should implore President Trump via Twitter and Facebook to pick somebody else to run the CIA. Personally, I'd like to see former director of World Geopolitical & Military Analysis at the NSA turned patriotic whisleblower William Binney get the job as he's a man who takes his oath to the U.S. Constitution seriously.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:21 AM
 
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She ran a site and oversaw interrogation using techniques that we would call torture.

https://www.justsecurity.org/54068/g...ca-correction/
"Haspel served as chief of base of the CIA black site referred to as Detention Site GREEN in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s Study of the CIA’s Detention and Interrogation Program, a secret prison in Thailand where detainees were subjected to torture and other unlawful abuse. At GREEN, she directly oversaw Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri’s interrogation using so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques,” including waterboarding."

In 2005, she drafted and signed her name to a cable, "ordering the destruction of dozens of videotapes capturing the interrogations of both Zubaydah and Nashiri, despite directives to the contrary from the White House, the Department of Justice, and members of Congress. "

"It is well established that Haspel was involved, over the course of at least three years, in actions that permanently stained America’s reputation, increased risk to U.S. service members operating overseas, hindered cooperation with allies, and provided a ready-made propaganda tool to extremists."

https://www.justsecurity.org/54068/g...ca-correction/

It seems pretty clear she didn't just take over a base where torture had been going on in the past.

To try to excuse her by saying she was only following orders doesn't cut it. Others refused, asked to be reassigned, etc. They knew it was wrong and refused to be part of it.

Either she didn't have the courage to do so or she supported torture.

Neither one makes her qualified to head the CIA.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:02 AM
 
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It seems pretty clear she didn't just take over a base where torture had been going on in the past.

To try to excuse her by saying she was only following orders doesn't cut it. Others refused, asked to be reassigned, etc. They knew it was wrong and refused to be part of it.

Either she didn't have the courage to do so or she supported torture.

Neither one makes her qualified to head the CIA.
Agreed! The fact that Gina Haspel is not qualified to run the CIA has nothing to do with her political leanings or her gender. When the time came for her to make a stand and do the right thing she failed miserably. This quote from the German resistance memorial is quite relevant here:

"You did not bear the shame
You resisted
Sacrificing your life
For freedom, justice, and honor."



I really hope President Trump rescinds Gina Haspel's nomination and presents a candidate better qualified to run an agency as powerful as the CIA.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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Default Gina Haspel, CIA Director Nominee - Wrongly Accused of Running Black Site for Torture

Imagine that...


Correction: Trump’s Pick to Head CIA Did Not Oversee Waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah

On Feb. 22, 2017, ProPublica published a story that inaccurately described Gina Haspel’s role in the treatment of Abu Zubaydah, a suspected al-Qaida leader who was imprisoned by the CIA at a secret “black site” in Thailand in 2002.

The story said that Haspel, a career CIA officer who President Trump has nominated to be the next director of central intelligence, oversaw the clandestine base where Zubaydah was subjected to waterboarding and other coercive interrogation methods that are widely seen as torture. The story also said she mocked the prisoner’s suffering in a private conversation. Neither of these assertions is correct and we retract them. It is now clear that Haspel did not take charge of the base until after the interrogation of Zubaydah ended.

Our account of Haspel’s actions was drawn in part from declassified agency cables and CIA-reviewed books which referred to the official overseeing Zubaydah’s interrogation at a secret prison in Thailand as “chief of base.” The books and cables redacted the name of the official, as is routinely done in declassified documents referring to covert operations.

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A few reflections on what went wrong in our reporting and editing process.

The awkward communications between officials barred from disclosing classified information and reporters trying to reveal secrets in which there is legitimate public interest can sometimes end in miscommunication. In this instance, we failed to understand the message the CIA’s press office was trying to convey in its statement.


It didn't stop them from publishing the wrong information. At least ProPublica wrote a lengthy correction instead of a brief blurb.

So what they did is assumed her to be the person that was under the redacted text and went with that. Sloppy, sloppy journalism when you have people's careers at stake.

The corrections hardly ever see the light of day - unless it favors liberals.


Reference: Gina Haspel, The CIA's New Director, Ran a Black Site for Torture
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:56 AM
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Real. Fake. News. I’ve come to expect it over the years. Don’t look for as much attention on the correction...if any attention at all. Kudos propublica for theirs
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Old 04-18-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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That folks, is how fake news gets spread around.
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Old 04-18-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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And what will happen is when confirmation starts, the narrative will be the fake news instead of the correction. So she will have to deal with that... and some will believe the initial story. It's really unfair and unfortunate.
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