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Old 03-14-2018, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I disagree. I don't know where you get that.
Would the party of the working man support expanding the labor supply through liberal immigration policies?
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Would the party of the working man support expanding the labor supply through liberal immigration policies?
Would the party of the working man fight to raise the threshold that exempts them for overtime pay or oppose it?
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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In general, Democrats are friendly to large businesses that they can control and regulate and Republicans are friendlier to small business.
Being able to 'control' is not the same as friendship.

But regulations are not about 'control', they are about protecting the public and the environment which we all share.

For example, traffic laws are regulations, very necessary for the safe and orderly movement of people and goods. I wouldn't want a world without them. People who receive citations do not regard it as a friendly act.

Nevertheless these regulations are good for society as a whole.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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Would the party of the working man support expanding the labor supply through liberal immigration policies?
Actually, if you haven't noticed, the Republican party has been a big advocate of liberalized immigration policy to expand the workforce. Check out the US Chamber of Commerce and their position on the matter. The Republicans are for anything that is better for business, which includes bringing in foreign labor when they think it will help the business community by making labor more 'affordable'. Not for nothing does The Donald bring in hundreds of foreigners to work on his plantations. The business community wants these people, but they also want your votes, so the Republicans tend to say one thing and do another.

The Democratic stance has generally been a bottom-up one, objecting to the breaking up of nuclear families, for example. providing refuge for people in danger for another. The Democrats are far more sympathetic to the plight of such people who are victimized. Democrats are also much more likely to support a fair wage and workplace safety, these things go back 100 years with them. Republicans view those issues as an expansive burden on employers.

The idea that it is the Democrats who promote open immigration, or that the issue stems solely from their policies is a canard, basically a hoax played upon people by pundits.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Would the party of the working man fight to raise the threshold that exempts them for overtime pay or oppose it?
Did I argue the Republicans were the party of the working man? Stop deflecting and answer my question.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Did I argue the Republicans were the party of the working man? Stop deflecting and answer my question.
That has nothing to do with supporting workers. It's a roundabout argument that increasing the labor pool is anti-worker, which is a nonsense argument. So yes, you can support immigration and still be pro-worker.

I didn't say anything about Republicans, I asked: Would the party of the working man fight to raise the threshold that exempts them for overtime pay or oppose it?

Are you going to answer?
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Houston
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That has nothing to do with supporting workers. It's a roundabout argument that increasing the labor pool is anti-worker, which is a nonsense argument. So yes, you can support immigration and still be pro-worker.

I didn't say anything about Republicans, I asked: Would the party of the working man fight to raise the threshold that exempts them for overtime pay or oppose it?

Are you going to answer?
No it is not a nonsense argument. It is basic economics. You increase the supply of labor you drive down wages and most low skilled workers are bright enough to understand that. That is why we have Trump in the White House.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Actually, if you haven't noticed, the Republican party has been a big advocate of liberalized immigration policy to expand the workforce. Check out the US Chamber of Commerce and their position on the matter. The Republicans are for anything that is better for business, which includes bringing in foreign labor when they think it will help the business community by making labor more 'affordable'. Not for nothing does The Donald bring in hundreds of foreigners to work on his plantations. The business community wants these people, but they also want your votes, so the Republicans tend to say one thing and do another.

The Democratic stance has generally been a bottom-up one, objecting to the breaking up of nuclear families, for example. providing refuge for people in danger for another. The Democrats are far more sympathetic to the plight of such people who are victimized. Democrats are also much more likely to support a fair wage and workplace safety, these things go back 100 years with them. Republicans view those issues as an expansive burden on employers.

The idea that it is the Democrats who promote open immigration, or that the issue stems solely from their policies is a canard, basically a hoax played upon people by pundits.
I understand that. However, the Republicans are traditionally the party of business and that has not changed. What has changed is the Democrats dropped the working man in favor of illegal immigrants and diversity. The reaction is election defeats and Democrats foolishly questioning why “people are voting against their own self interests “.
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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No it is not a nonsense argument. It is basic economics. You increase the supply of labor you drive down wages and most low skilled workers are bright enough to understand that. That is why we have Trump in the White House.
So being pro-college is being anti-worker by your logic? That adds competition to the labor pool?

Training people in STEM field is anti-worker? Training welders is anti-worker? Your entire argument is that adding to the labor pool is anti-worker, so obviously you're opposed to all those too, right...?

And again: Would the party of the working man fight to raise the threshold that exempts them for overtime pay or oppose it?
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Being able to 'control' is not the same as friendship.

But regulations are not about 'control', they are about protecting the public and the environment which we all share.

For example, traffic laws are regulations, very necessary for the safe and orderly movement of people and goods. I wouldn't want a world without them. People who receive citations do not regard it as a friendly act.

Nevertheless these regulations are good for society as a whole.
regulations (rules/laws) are a good thing 90% of the time....but OVER-regulating stifles the economy and actually hurts safety

and that is the problem of the fascist liberals and their over/strict regulations that DONT care about people or their safety, but total control

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""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of strict regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.". Mussolini
heavy regulations and taxation...... the liberals to a tee
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