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Old 03-14-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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My point maybe is that had laws existing been enforced the crime would not have occurred. Why is it the default position to blame the NRA?
Because it much easier to blame something else then to address the root issue. Its like an alcoholic blaming very existence of Budweiser. which made him drink...becoming an alcoholic.

The NRA doesn't make people mentality ill, deranged and evil, but gun grabbers will fight you tooth and nail and tell you otherwise. Quite frankly, its asinine and lacks critical thinking.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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Because to many people in this country are reactive instead of proactive. People see a tragedy on TV, and they automatically "react" to it by calling for more gun laws, better background checks, etc. Then, the mainstream media jumps on board, which makes these reactionary individuals feel they are "doing the right thing". None of the herd stops to think about what actually went wrong to cause the tragedy. They simply attack whatever caused the problem. Which of course in this case was a gun. And what organization in this country advocates gun ownership? You guessed it, the NRA. Therefore, in the reactionary mind, the NRA is responsible for the school shooting because they advocate and lobby for gun rights. Now, does this make sense in any way? No, it doesn't. Do any of these people care that it makes no sense? Not a bit.
Great post....not sure if you'll get any answer other than, you agree with the NRA and that means the blood is on or hands.
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Old 03-16-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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29 calls to police no actions, several calls to the FBI and they drop the ball and the kid walks into a school and kills other kids.....and it's the NRA's fault?

How is that possible.
If your thread title was worded like your opening statement, we might have gotten more replies by now.
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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My point maybe is that had laws existing been enforced the crime would not have occurred. Why is it the default position to blame the NRA?
Which specific law that he broke would have required his incarceration or prevented him from having a gun. Yes there were many visits to his home, quantity is not a reason for anything lacking details. Some of those visits were for things like missing persons so what were the more severe instances that would have prevented this event.
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Because we have tens of thousands of kids that have similar issues that don't go shooting up schools. I don't blame the NRA personally. I do think they should stop preventing data from being gathered though. They are the primary force behind laws to prevent data from the BATF and CDC being provided to help us understand what to do. I do blame them for that.

Really now ?
NRA Supported Sharing Mental Health Data with NICS, Funds Not Appropriated | Breitbart


https://www.nraila.org/articles/2013...h-and-firearms
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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Because to many people in this country are reactive instead of proactive. People see a tragedy on TV, and they automatically "react" to it by calling for more gun laws, better background checks, etc. Then, the mainstream media jumps on board, which makes these reactionary individuals feel they are "doing the right thing". None of the herd stops to think about what actually went wrong to cause the tragedy. They simply attack whatever caused the problem. Which of course in this case was a gun. And what organization in this country advocates gun ownership? You guessed it, the NRA. Therefore, in the reactionary mind, the NRA is responsible for the school shooting because they advocate and lobby for gun rights. Now, does this make sense in any way? No, it doesn't. Do any of these people care that it makes no sense? Not a bit.
Great post, and sadly this is the mindset of the majority of people in our country today.
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Which specific law that he broke would have required his incarceration or prevented him from having a gun. Yes there were many visits to his home, quantity is not a reason for anything lacking details. Some of those visits were for things like missing persons so what were the more severe instances that would have prevented this event.
One or more of these, if he had actually been arrested and had a record. If so, he wouldn't have passed a background check to buy a gun.

Florida shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals - Chicago Tribune
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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One or more of these, if he had actually been arrested and had a record. If so, he wouldn't have passed a background check to buy a gun.

Florida shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals - Chicago Tribune
Those are personal reports mostly not police reports. He definitely had some problems and voluntarily attended a mental health facility but I don't see anything to the level of being able to arrest him. The families that took him in and his step parents were either in denial or unaware, but now when you see the entire picture its disturbing. Even if they could arrest him then what's the next step, its extremely complicated and he certainly isn't the only kid with these type of borderline problems.


Reading through that link the family that he moved in with allowed him to keep the AR-15 locked in a safe, they thought he was being bullied. I can't imagine the taking a homeless troubled kid and allowing a gun in the house. Really not much different than Adam Lanza's mom, crazy culture.
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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That topic has never once been brought up in all the threads on the Florida shooting. And yes I'm being snarky. There's a lot of blame to be placed here. Not sure anyone ever said one person or organization bears most of it. The most blame lies with the suspect himself. But he was definitey enabled by a multitude of people and sources including those who have no problem with 18 year olds stocking up on AR-15s and similiar types of guns.
I brought it up... it got merged into the sticky pile when the topic was hot.

Parkland shooter always in trouble, never expelled. Could school system have done more?
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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That topic has never once been brought up in all the threads on the Florida shooting. And yes I'm being snarky. There's a lot of blame to be placed here. Not sure anyone ever said one person or organization bears most of it. The most blame lies with the suspect himself. But he was definitey enabled by a multitude of people and sources including those who have no problem with 18 year olds stocking up on AR-15s and similiar types of guns.
really? so the fact that when a school shooting like parkland happens, the first thing teh gun grbabber scream is the NRA is a terrorist organization and should be disbanded, or that the fault lies with the NRA, or other such garbage.
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