Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-20-2018, 08:01 AM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hums View Post
If you have pride in your race or nation, it is logical that you want it to prosper and retain (if not expand) influence, rather than surrender its position and become a potentially endangered minority. It is clear that mass immigration of other groups will reduce the influence of your race or nation by definition, since it will have to share power and control over the state (e.g., it would have 50% of the votes instead of 95%, to use a blunt example).

Realistically, this leaves you with two main options:
1) You strive towards a state where your group remains the unambiguous majority and everyone has roughly equal rights.
2) You strive towards a state where your group compensates numerical disadvantages with additional privileges, which are either 2a) direct and legislated (e.g., apartheid South Africa, early 20th century US South); or 2b) concealed, market-driven, or driven by informal ethnic ties (e.g., Brazil, Colombia, early 20th century industrial northern US).

2a and 2b are far less stable than 1, though they have some other advantages (such as the obvious benefits of exploiting the less privileged, less well-organised, less-educated, etc. groups). Besides, 2a is almost impossible to uphold nowadays due to international pressure, while 2b generally leads to massive corruption and often to violence or exodus (the classical Hutu-Tutsi scenario or the white flight scenario).

Pride in your nation is something entirely different than public displays of pride of one's race or ethnicity. The former unites us the latter divides us.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-20-2018, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,839 posts, read 26,236,305 times
Reputation: 34038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hums View Post
If you have pride in your race or nation, it is logical that you want it to prosper and retain (if not expand) influence, rather than surrender its position and become a potentially endangered minority. It is clear that mass immigration of other groups will reduce the influence of your race or nation by definition, since it will have to share power and control over the state (e.g., it would have 50% of the votes instead of 95%, to use a blunt example).

Realistically, this leaves you with two main options:
1) You strive towards a state where your group remains the unambiguous majority and everyone has roughly equal rights.
2) You strive towards a state where your group compensates numerical disadvantages with additional privileges, which are either 2a) direct and legislated (e.g., apartheid South Africa, early 20th century US South); or 2b) concealed, market-driven, or driven by informal ethnic ties (e.g., Brazil, Colombia, early 20th century industrial northern US).

2a and 2b are far less stable than 1, though they have some other advantages (such as the obvious benefits of exploiting the less privileged, less well-organised, less-educated, etc. groups). Besides, 2a is almost impossible to uphold nowadays due to international pressure, while 2b generally leads to massive corruption and often to violence or exodus (the classical Hutu-Tutsi scenario or the white flight scenario).
I think you forgot #3 where the majority group acknowledges that race is nothing more than a social construct and we all work toward the betterment of all people in the nation and realize that if one of us wins, we all win. If one of us loses we all lose.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
3,071 posts, read 3,222,638 times
Reputation: 915
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Pride in your nation is something entirely different than public displays of pride of one's race or ethnicity. The former unites us the latter divides us.
Ones nation, race, and ethnicity are often closely related.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
3,071 posts, read 3,222,638 times
Reputation: 915
What divides us is negative stereotypes, racism, classism, and sexism. Having pride in ones race does not automatically equate to racism. It's the manner in which it's done that makes all the difference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
15,216 posts, read 30,545,629 times
Reputation: 10851
The goalposts have moved over the years over what "white" is. It is not a coherent identity, and white nationalism as such is based on an ill-defined premise at best.

"Black" is not a whole lot different, and in some circles it's somehow part of being "black" to reject being educated as some sort of white indoctrination. This mentality is, not unlike white nationalism, as destructive as it is stupid.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 10:50 AM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by pandorafan5687 View Post
Ones nation, race, and ethnicity are often closely related.

Not really. America consists of many different races and ethnicities. We are only connected through our common nationality.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 10:57 AM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by pandorafan5687 View Post
What divides us is negative stereotypes, racism, classism, and sexism. Having pride in ones race does not automatically equate to racism. It's the manner in which it's done that makes all the difference.

I never understood this pride in one's race or ethnicity. We are all just humans and didn't have a choice what race or ethnicity we were born into. It's kind of a group think when we are all individuals. There is good and bad in every race/ethnic group so to be proud of one's group is based on what?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 10:57 AM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
15,216 posts, read 30,545,629 times
Reputation: 10851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
We are only connected through our common nationality.
Which means nothing when we try to tribalize ourselves, whether genetically or ideologically.

We are not in a "united state" of anything.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 11:13 AM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfre81 View Post
Which means nothing when we try to tribalize ourselves, whether genetically or ideologically.

We are not in a "united state" of anything.

That's what I am opposed to and that's tribalism. You see that in many racial/ethnic groups. I think we are united by a common pride of our country though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
15,216 posts, read 30,545,629 times
Reputation: 10851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
That's what I am opposed to and that's tribalism. You see that in many racial/ethnic groups. I think we are united by a common pride of our country though.
I look at the people treating politics as a Republican vs. Democrat football game where the goal is "winning," as opposed to doing the right thing for the sake of the right thing, as tribalist knuckledraggers too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:54 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top