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Old 03-17-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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How much would you personally pay?

Why is it moral to have children that they can afford to raise on their own?

And just WHOM is it we're supposed to trust to make 'what is moral?' decisions?
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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...and we have the most expensive health care system in the world. So, then, what exactly are we paying for? Insurance companies and incompetence? Ineffectiveness? Any thoughts as to why we should not have UHC like every other developed nation in the world...?

Survey Ranks the U.S. Health Care System Lowest in Performance | Time
might be rated the worst but it certainly isn't anywhere near the worst. It might be the best. Why do you think people come from other countries to have treatments? Think of where this rating is coming from for heavens sake.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: USA
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Absolutely not true! Ever heard of home schooling?
What if the parents are ignorant rubes or religious nuts?

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Roads can be paid by tolls.
Ever been to New Jersey?
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Complete crap.

Not including new treatments, US produces more new medicines than the rest of world combined. In another word, the rest of the world rake in all the health benefits but contribute very little, and US is funding their health care.

Also most "developed world" rely on US to provide national defense - they would all be dead without US.
yep, in fact that is why we pay so much for our meds, they are developed here which is very costly. Then other countries start using them after we have done the research.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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might be rated the worst but it certainly isn't anywhere near the worst. It might be the best. Why do you think people come from other countries to have treatments? Think of where this rating is coming from for heavens sake.
What people come here for that purpose other than the very well heeled?

A corresponding question is why has 'medical tourism' become so popular with Americans?
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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yep, in fact that is why we pay so much for our meds, they are developed here which is very costly. Then other countries start using them after we have done the research.
While that is an exaggeration, there is a grain of truth in what you say. It is ironic, though, that America is the source of so many advanced medical therapies — both pharmacological and technical — while contributing so overwhelmingly to the diet and lifestyle choices which have brought about the worldwide rise in obesity, diabetes, and opioid addiction.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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yep, in fact that is why we pay so much for our meds, they are developed here which is very costly. Then other countries start using them after we have done the research.

But, why do we continue paying more for the same drugs sold in other countries?

Same goes for things like joint replacements. Some years ago I was having hip problems and had no medical insurance. When I looked into it total cost in the US would've been in the $45-50K range, the joint itself was over $10K. That very same implant was billed in Belgium at around $1,100 and the operation/hospital could be had in Belgium using a well rated surgeon for less than $20K.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Without watching the video, is it one of those quacks from the Libertarian debate back in 2016?
Yes and its hilarious. They actually managed to get Gary Johnson in the debate.

The video clip is only 1 minute long. The full version is out there too, but this one part is probably the best.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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It's well documented by many leading cancer organisations and is backed by numerous academic studies.
I have no doubts it happens from time to time. It is just not a leading driver of HC costs or outcomes.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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might be rated the worst but it certainly isn't anywhere near the worst. It might be the best. Why do you think people come from other countries to have treatments? Think of where this rating is coming from for heavens sake.
Its not about quality, its about affordability and serving everyone. No poor peasant from Canada or India or China comes here.

With Obamacare people had an option to buy some affordable insurance. But then it has no value if the doctors dont accept it.

If you have a job and employer covered/subsidized healthcare you wont care. Same with Canada or UK, as long its "coming from someone else".
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