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SB 7026 violates every rule we have for due process, innocent until proven guilty, confiscation of property, rights in criminal/civil court, etc...all in an effort to violate the 2nd Amendment.
Nice.
Nothing like some knee jerk hysteria to create permanent abject tyranny in a futile effort to make us all safer from human nature.
My favorite parts of the "risk protection order", in no particular order
at no point does the "respondent" get to defend themselves with all their rights under the 5-7th amendments prior to the order being issued. Literally, they can have their rights taken away before even being notified that someone is petitioning for same. (read lines 948-1049 of PDF, chilling)
when the respondent does get to challenge (after they've been told they were found guilty), they have to prove their innocence. The law actually says they bear the burden of proof, not the state.
The initial order and the extensions thereof are not based on jury (violation of 6th/7th) decisions, but single judge being petitioned by law enforcement.
List of what constitutes grounds for the order actually includes: "(13) Evidence of recent acquisition of firearms or ammunition by the respondent"(lines 891-892 of PDF version) So just buying a weapon and/or ammunition is sufficient evidence that a person poses a risk such that they should lose their natural individual rights.
That freaking bill is some seriously chilling, disturbing, frightening tyranny all nice and codified. Simply buying a weapon and/or ammo is sufficient case for a temporary ex parte "risk protection" order to be issued, which means you lose your 2A rights without any protection whatsoever from the 4th-7th Amendments...because you purchased a weapon. They include that at least twice - simply buying a weapon is sufficient evidence of posing a risk such that a court (not a jury) can decide you pose a risk, and it is on you to convince that court that you do not.
It literally violates every individual protection our justice system is supposed to have, in favor of tyranny.
And so it begins....
And this is why you know better.
The State is all fiction. You can recite their rules right back to them as you've so eloquently done and in the end it's meaningless.
You are only free up until the point your interests/actions don't interfere with the interests/actions of the State. That ain't freedom in the end. It's just well-played tyranny by the State.
Who would have thought that a group of kids could bring about a change that we adults were unable to accomplish ? I can not wait until all of them are old enough to vote, they might just bring some sanity back to this country.
SB 7026 violates every rule we have for due process, innocent until proven guilty, confiscation of property, rights in criminal/civil court, etc...all in an effort to violate the 2nd Amendment.
Nice.
Nothing like some knee jerk hysteria to create permanent abject tyranny in a futile effort to make us all safer from human nature.
My favorite parts of the "risk protection order", in no particular order
at no point does the "respondent" get to defend themselves with all their rights under the 5-7th amendments prior to the order being issued. Literally, they can have their rights taken away before even being notified that someone is petitioning for same. (read lines 948-1049 of PDF, chilling)
when the respondent does get to challenge (after they've been told they were found guilty), they have to prove their innocence. The law actually says they bear the burden of proof, not the state.
The initial order and the extensions thereof are not based on jury (violation of 6th/7th) decisions, but single judge being petitioned by law enforcement.
List of what constitutes grounds for the order actually includes: "(13) Evidence of recent acquisition of firearms or ammunition by the respondent"(lines 891-892 of PDF version) So just buying a weapon and/or ammunition is sufficient evidence that a person poses a risk such that they should lose their natural individual rights.
That freaking bill is some seriously chilling, disturbing, frightening tyranny all nice and codified. Simply buying a weapon and/or ammo is sufficient case for a temporary ex parte "risk protection" order to be issued, which means you lose your 2A rights without any protection whatsoever from the 4th-7th Amendments...because you purchased a weapon. They include that at least twice - simply buying a weapon is sufficient evidence of posing a risk such that a court (not a jury) can decide you pose a risk, and it is on you to convince that court that you do not.
It literally violates every individual protection our justice system is supposed to have, in favor of tyranny.
And so it begins....
It almost makes me think the lawmakers knew this would not survive in the courts, but passed it simply to pacify the people wanting immediate action.
It almost makes me think the lawmakers knew this would not survive in the courts, but passed it simply to pacify the people wanting immediate action.
I have no idea what the lawmakers were thinking, but civil liberties was something I am sure they never, not for one f_u_kcing second, gave any consideration whatsoever. They were NOT thinking about liberty, freedom, individual rights, etc. We know that much, just based on the text of the law. Utter disregard for every tenet of individual protection and liberty ever considered in this country.
I have no idea what the lawmakers were thinking, but civil liberties was something I am sure they never, not for one f_u_kcing second, gave any consideration whatsoever. They were NOT thinking about liberty, freedom, individual rights, etc. We know that much, just based on the text of the law. Utter disregard for every tenet of individual protection and liberty ever considered in this country.
Absolute, total, utter disregard.
Like I said....so it begins.
Ok, so put yourself in the lawmakers shoes.
You have and angry mob of VOTERS screaming that you "DO SOMETHING".
So you throw something together to appease them knowing it will never pass court challenge.
You've then just passed the buck and blame to either the courts, the NRA....doesn't matter who....because they're just trying to stay in office the next election.
They aren't ignoring civil liberties, they know that those will ultimately doom the bill but they're dealing with an angry mob of idiots that are easily distracted.
Not sure why you're so upset by this clearly empty gesture aimed at self preservation?
Not sure why you're so upset by this clearly empty gesture aimed at self preservation?
Because it was signed into law, and currently exists unchallenged as the law of an entire state. Every single explicit protection our legal system and Constitution provide for the citizens of Florida is violated by this public state law. Just because it hasn't made it to Ohio doesn't mean I cannot be angry about the march of tyranny.
Ask the Allies if it's better to stop the Nazis in Germany, or to wait until they seize all of Western Europe?
You have and angry mob of VOTERS screaming that you "DO SOMETHING".
So you throw something together to appease them knowing it will never pass court challenge.
Not sure why you're so upset by this clearly empty gesture aimed at self preservation?
I can just see every murderous dictator of the last 100 years or more saying this very thing... while crossing his fingers behind his back and muttering, "Of course, if my side can stack the deck of the judges in our courts and one of these civil-right-destroying laws actually survives a court challenge, then we're in control, now and forever. Success!"
Dictators from Stalin to Hitler to Pol Pot to Mao etc. are the ones for whom this worked. How many others tried it only to be beaten back (sometimes bloodily), and so never became as famous? But not for lack of trying.
Brings back one of the liberals' favorite aphorisms (but only when Republicans are in power): "Remember, everything Hitler did in office, was legal."
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