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Democratic Socialism is Capitalism, but with restraints on the excesses. The economy and society should both be run to meet all human needs, not simply to generate profits for a greedy few.
Representative Government and the military are both due to Democratic Socialism. Other benefits are airports, police and fire departments, roads, potable water, public schools, Border Patrol, public libraries, public parks, EMS services, federal disaster relief, the internet, patents, safe food supplies, insurance, the internet, and even corporate subsidies.
If you have ever used any of these, you have participated in Democratic Socialism, whether you like or believe it or not. Not a very evil system if you ask me.
Thank you. Once you define your terms, everything else is easy. Nobody sane wants to live under Marxism or Communism. Those have been tried too many times and failed. Unrestrained capitalism gave us Hoover's Great Depression and Bush's Great Recession. Capitalism is only a good system when regulations are in place to protect everyone.
Too many posters here use a lot of terms interchangeably and incorrectly. It's difficult to know some times whether they have a clue what they're talking about or not. Opinions are not necessarily facts.
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Where's the morality to justify robbing other people because of "your need"?
There's none. Morality doesn't go away just because a person is poor or in need.
1. It's immoral to rob other people.
2. It's immoral to accept money that is not earned with a few exceptions such as inheritance.
I am not sure why these are such hard concepts for you.
Again, property taxes and income taxes shift the burden from the poor (who will be hurt much more by taxes) to those with the most ability to pay. You put too many taxes on the poor, you end up with the very social instability and underacheivement you seek to prevent.
Merely being a conscious, self-aware human being obligates us to contribute our resources if it's necessary to maintain safety, security, and stability. This is precisely the case when people live in a post-stone age society with a post-stone age standard of living. Not all of us are able to fight off murderers, rapists, thugs, much less fight off invading armies. It's also practically impossible for a lower wealth person to prevent a high-wealth person from doing damage to not only his or her own property but even to the community as a whole --- unless there is someone to help him or her. In this case, it's the government (in theory, and even partially in practice, however imperfectly).
Again, property taxes and income taxes shift the burden from the poor (who will be hurt much more by taxes) to those with the most ability to pay. You put too many taxes on the poor, you end up with the very social instability and underacheivement you seek to prevent.
Merely being a conscious, self-aware human being obligates us to contribute our resources if it's necessary to maintain safety, security, and stability. This is precisely the case when people live in a post-stone age society with a post-stone age standard of living. Not all of us are able to fight off murderers, rapists, thugs, much less fight off invading armies. It's also practically impossible for a lower wealth person to prevent a high-wealth person from doing damage to not only his or her own property but even to the community as a whole --- unless there is someone to help him or her. In this case, it's the government (in theory, and even partially in practice, however imperfectly).
What’s the obligation for those who don’t pay income or property taxes?
I didn’t know forcing other people to pay for the need of the needy is a glorious thing.
Democratic Socialism is Capitalism, but with restraints on the excesses. The economy and society should both be run to meet all human needs, not simply to generate profits for a greedy few.
Representative Government and the military are both due to Democratic Socialism. Other benefits are airports, police and fire departments, roads, potable water, public schools, Border Patrol, public libraries, public parks, EMS services, federal disaster relief, the internet, patents, safe food supplies, insurance, the internet, and even corporate subsidies.
If you have ever used any of these, you have participated in Democratic Socialism, whether you like or believe it or not. Not a very evil system if you ask me.
Yes. In a nutshell. There are certainly bad laws on the books that need to be changed, but they cannot simply be ignored because you don't personally believe in them.
BTW - you never debated anything. You shot from the lip with no sort of support for your statement. Thatls called opinion. You are most certainly entitled to it, but that doesn't mean it carries the weight of fact. Opinions are merely theories awaiting proof.
You just described the belief in legitimate political authority - the idea that some humans can have the moral right to rule over others (or more specifically, to initiate force against and violate the property rights of other humans). If needed, I can logically disprove that at least 3 different ways.
That idea is the antithesis of the concept of natural or inherent human rights. It's the idea responsible for the majority of evil committed throughout history - that it's legitimate for a king, or a ruling group, or the majority, etc. to disregard the rights of others, as long as they do it by way of "the political process".
If your stance is that someone breaking the law is always at fault, it must follow that the government can do no wrong, as long as they call it legal. I think that's crazy.
Not until you tell all of us why Democratic Socialism is evil like you have claimed repeatedly. I kept my end of the bargain. Now it's your turn.
Ball's in your court. Support your claims or be known as a blowhard.
Socialism, democratic or not, enslave people and rob the people of their wealth to fund its pet projects.
There is nothing moral, just or fair.
I forgot the most beautiful part: you and your democratic socialists are more than happy to murder whoever dare to disagree with you.
Is there anything more evil than this?
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