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Communism and socialism are economic systems, not political ones. To communism’s founder Karl Marx, history is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, while economics is about the middle class (bourgeoise) and nobility exploiting the working class, namely by paying the worker less for his or her labor than the actual value of goods and services the worker produced, in effect stealing part of the workers’ labors and paying them just enough to survive. Marx’s solution was to abolish all private ownership of property and have the workers own the means of production (farms, mines, forests, factories, transport lines, and any item that can produce wealth for the owner). In short, communism centers on who owns the means of production.
Laws regulating property privately is not of who owns the land. It’s a matter of regulating human behavior, more of a public policy matter than an economic one. Therefore, communism does not cover such matters. Nor does it cover taxes, what we pay in order to maintain a police force, legal system, and military in order to protect society from threats to it (invading armies and criminals). It also includes funding public goods that the private sector could never hope to accomplish well on its own, if at all (roads, bridges, dams, rural electrification, etc.).
Again, this is not a question of who owns what, at least outside the geographic range of the project (the government could always declare imminent domain over a property IF the owner is justly compensated). It is a question of our individual obligations to society (promote mutual security, mutual obligations to help fund projects which neither individuals, nor the private sector could ever develop on their own, but yet are considered vital for even minimal functioning of all members of a society).
In short, once the question shifts from outright ownership of wealth-creating properties and to our obligations to fund police, military, and mutually helping each other fund needed projects beyond the ability of the private sector to do so, it’s not about communism any more.
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Originally Posted by phma
All kinds of shade. Triggers the left who stand in it.
Specifics, or are you just content to think that short simple jabs are enough to disprove what I say?
You'd think that people with so much hysteria about communism would at least have an idea of what it means. But I guess there are some people who think short catchy phrases can disprove anything (does that include the US Constitution as well? It's a longwinded document, yet certain "patriotic" types would go ape if someone dismissed it with some short clever jab.
The US Constitution, a long-winded false justification for acting like a wild animal in the wilderness, that is, freedom.
Communism and socialism are economic systems, not political ones. To communism’s founder Karl Marx, history is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, while economics is about the middle class (bourgeoise) and nobility exploiting the working class, namely by paying the worker less for his or her labor than the actual value of goods and services the worker produced, in effect stealing part of the workers’ labors and paying them just enough to survive. Marx’s solution was to abolish all private ownership of property and have the workers own the means of production (farms, mines, forests, factories, transport lines, and any item that can produce wealth for the owner). In short, communism centers on who owns the means of production.
Laws regulating property privately is not of who owns the land. It’s a matter of regulating human behavior, more of a public policy matter than an economic one. Therefore, communism does not cover such matters. Nor does it cover taxes, what we pay in order to maintain a police force, legal system, and military in order to protect society from threats to it (invading armies and criminals). It also includes funding public goods that the private sector could never hope to accomplish well on its own, if at all (roads, bridges, dams, rural electrification, etc.).
Again, this is not a question of who owns what, at least outside the geographic range of the project (the government could always declare imminent domain over a property IF the owner is justly compensated). It is a question of our individual obligations to society (promote mutual security, mutual obligations to help fund projects which neither individuals, nor the private sector could ever develop on their own, but yet are considered vital for even minimal functioning of all members of a society).
In short, once the question shifts from outright ownership of wealth-creating properties and to our obligations to fund police, military, and mutually helping each other fund needed projects beyond the ability of the private sector to do so, it’s not about communism any more.
All kinds of shade. Triggers the left who stand in it.
it would add a lot more to the discussion if you would let us know what it is you disagree with about the definitions given. Your opinion without any support lacks all substance. Just sayin'...
Are hundreds of millions of people enslaved and killed under this definition of communism too?
Perhaps it was done for an "economical" reason.........
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