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Old 03-19-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Since liberals love bragging about European Socialism, how about they agree to this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/lessons-dutch-welfare-reform
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Nope, I believe these welfare moms take full responsibility and work as much as possible regardless if their checks are cut due to making too much money.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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There are extremes on all ends.

The bottom line with welfare is we've created the problem ourselves. We have a glut of **** jobs in this country and the vast majority of jobs that are available are easily substituted worker wise. There is no pressure for wages to rise. So you end up with these decades long stagnation of wages on the bottom end which tend to cause stagnation above those wages as well and you end up with a higher reliance on government services.

Then you look at goverment services and there are cutoffs that just don't make sense. The people we should be helping the most are the full time workers that can't make it because wages are low. We shouldn't be cutting benefits just as they are approaching full time work, it is stupid.

So what you end up with is this abortion of a system. The system is designed for people to work as little as possible and that is what they do. Corporations benefit because they can pay **** wages and people tend to go along with it because they have this negative view of anyone or any job below theirs as beneath them.

You know something, Canada has a decent minimum wage, doesn't suffer from massive unemployment and has a great safety net.

The problem is we let problems fester for decades. Had we slowly raised the minimum wage over the time we'd be in a better situation now we've created a massive bubbled of low wage jobs and corporations have grown fat on this expectation making it harder to fix the problem.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't support armed robbery.

Thats the beginning and end of the welfare debate.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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There are extremes on all ends.

The bottom line with welfare is we've created the problem ourselves. We have a glut of **** jobs in this country and the vast majority of jobs that are available are easily substituted worker wise. There is no pressure for wages to rise. So you end up with these decades long stagnation of wages on the bottom end which tend to cause stagnation above those wages as well and you end up with a higher reliance on government services.

Then you look at goverment services and there are cutoffs that just don't make sense. The people we should be helping the most are the full time workers that can't make it because wages are low. We shouldn't be cutting benefits just as they are approaching full time work, it is stupid.

So what you end up with is this abortion of a system. The system is designed for people to work as little as possible and that is what they do. Corporations benefit because they can pay **** wages and people tend to go along with it because they have this negative view of anyone or any job below theirs as beneath them.

You know something, Canada has a decent minimum wage, doesn't suffer from massive unemployment and has a great safety net.

The problem is we let problems fester for decades. Had we slowly raised the minimum wage over the time we'd be in a better situation now we've created a massive bubbled of low wage jobs and corporations have grown fat on this expectation making it harder to fix the problem.
Canada’s unemployment rate is higher than the usa’s
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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Canada’s unemployment rate is higher than the usa’s
Yes, it is. I'd prefer 2 points on unemployment and an awesome safety net with all workers making a living wage than the **** show we have right now.

The poor drive a lot of the problems found in society. When you leave those problems to fester for decades you have what we have.

When you have excellent safety nets like Canada and Europe does you tend to have far fewer problems.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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"Wisely designed anti-poverty programs, like the Earned Income Tax Credit, actually increase labor participation."

"A 2015 meta-study of cash programs in poor countries found “no systematic evidence that cash transfer programs discourage work” in seven different countries: Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Philippines, Indonesia, or Morocco. Other studies of cash-grant experiments in Uganda and Nigeria have found that such programs can increase working hours and earnings, particularly when the beneficiaries are required to attend classes that teach specific trades or general business skills."

Problem is, Republicans don't believe in science and facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...utm_source=twb
Here is another older, but very relevant article from The Atlantic. You should read it. Twice.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ystery/306872/
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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giving people welfare checks makes them lazier.
Another routine fib made up by liberals and attributed to Republicans so the libs can then bash them.

Welfare checks don't make people lazier. Their own weakness makes them lazier.

Welfare checks just let them get away with it. And shows everyone else that they can get away with it too.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Problem is, Republicans don't believe in science and facts.
A lesson in irony.

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

This ends today's lesson.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: USA
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A lesson in irony.

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

This ends today's lesson.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
You are saying that people on welfare are equivalent to zoo animals. I think I understand perfectly.
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