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Old 03-20-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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P.S. I will tell you that I used to be 100% anti-gun, but I have changed my mind about that in the past ten years. I honestly do not think that banning guns will solve the problem, although it probably would lessen the number of shootings; however, I think the problem goes much deeper than just gun ownership. As many others have pointed out, people have had guns for hundreds of years and not many of them decided to take a gun with the intent of killing one or more people.
I wonder if it might be linked with the "Great society" idea, sexual revolution where they have throwed the water with the baby? Some blame the "baby-boom generation" 7 Reasons Why Boomers Are The Worst Generation Alive
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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So, do tell....what has changed, the gun or society?
Exactly...
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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I wonder if it might be linked with the "Great society" idea, sexual revolution where they have throwed the water with the baby? Some blame the "baby-boom generation" 7 Reasons Why Boomers Are The Worst Generation Alive
Change is inevitable, in every generation, the current one included. Blaming all the "issues" on the last generation is just a recipe for becoming a bitter old person who can't stop complaining.
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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I honestly wish I knew what is the cause of the increasing violence in schools today, but I don't and so I don't have any answers. I wish I did. However, I suspect that there are many factors, with most of them involving the fact that there have been a LOT of changes in society and attitudes as far as what is now acceptable and what is not (with both the MSM and social media being a big part of that) -- but then I am an old fogey who thinks that things were generally better in 1960 for MOST people in the U.S. than they are today, except for those who were not white and at least working class. (And, no, I am definitely NOT a Trump supporter!) I also think that many young people are just not very happy now and are not optimistic, so some of them might just think, "Well, why shouldn't I just do what I want?" It's difficult to be optimistic and soldier on if one feels there is no hope of success and eventual happiness, I think. And I think this is especially true of younger people who sometimes have difficulty of seeing past today -- or, at most, tomorrow. (And I am NOT saying this applies to ALL young people, but I think it applies to some.)

P.S. I will tell you that I used to be 100% anti-gun, but I have changed my mind about that in the past ten years. I honestly do not think that banning guns will solve the problem, although it probably would lessen the number of shootings; however, I think the problem goes much deeper than just gun ownership. As many others have pointed out, people have had guns for hundreds of years and not many of them decided to take a gun with the intent of killing one or more people.

Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say - News @ Northeastern

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Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school.
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Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today, Fox said.
“There is not an epidemic of school shootings,†he said, adding that more kids are killed each year from pool drownings or bicycle accidents. There are around 55 million school children in the United States, and on average over the past 25 years, about 10 students per year were killed by gunfire at school, according to Fox and Fridel’s research.
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Really, is it appropriate to play the politics card ?

How is this in anyway good news ? That more people didn't die ? And where was the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglass just month or so ago.

We have a serious problem and we need serious (mulitifacted) solutions not more political grandstanding or good guy with gun BS.

I'm rebutting another poster's words.

Have a problem with the political slant? Ignore it or talk to the poster who originally brought it up.
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I wonder if it might be linked with the "Great society" idea, sexual revolution where they have throwed the water with the baby? Some blame the "baby-boom generation" 7 Reasons Why Boomers Are The Worst Generation Alive
Sorry, but I could not relate or agree with 90% of the article* -- either to the person who wrote it or to the Boomers he described -- but then I am a political moderate who readily admits to not having all the answers. In fact, my opinion is that the article was stereotype garbage -- but, again, that is just my opinion.

*The exception is that I do agree that many of us Boomers -- but certainly not all! -- are guilty of living in a comfort bubble; and I do think life in the U.S. was better 50 years ago, except for what I mentioned in my previous post, and I doubt if anyone will ever convince me otherwise. I was there then and I am here now, and so I have been an observer of both eras -- although I admit that my view is that of a white working-to-middle class person. I definitely do realize that other people have different opinions based on their experiences, which, of course, might have been quite different from mine. (And that last actually disproves the author's contention that all Boomers are closed-minded and incapable of polite argument -- and I am certainly far from being the only one in my generation who is at least somewhat open-minded about most issues. There are dozens of Boomers on C-D who can and do disagree without becoming at all belligerent -- unlike, apparently, the author of the article. We are not all either racist conservatives or SJWs, but instead, a great many of us are somewhere between the two.)

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Old 03-20-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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So did the researchers conclude that about 10 people being killed per year at schools is an acceptable number? (I would disagree with that.)
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Following.

I was at a meeting last night at my son's school to talk about safety. Pleasantly surprised that only a few were pushing the armed guards agenda. I would like to see more money go into the budget for school counselors. My son says he spends five minutes a year with his to discuss his classes for the following year. We need to know our students and get help to those who need it.
I guess it's a good thing you didn't get your way prior to this shooting or there would be a lot more dead children. You do realize that an armed school resource officer stopped the massacre, right?
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Sorry, but I could not relate or agree with 90% of the article* -- either to the person who wrote it or to the Boomers he described -- but then I am a political moderate who readily admits to not having all the answers. In fact, my opinion is that the article was stereotype garbage -- but, again, that is just my opinion.

*The exception is that I do agree that many of us Boomers -- but certainly not all! -- are guilty of living in a comfort bubble; and I do think life in the U.S. was better 50 years ago, except for what I mentioned in my previous post, and I doubt if anyone will ever convince me otherwise. I was there then and I am here now, and so I have been an observer of both eras -- although I admit that my view is that of a white working-to-middle class person. I definitely do realize that other people have different opinions based on their experiences, which, of course, might have been quite different from mine. (And that last actually disproves the author's contention that all Boomers are closed-minded and incapable of polite argument -- and I am certainly not alone in that. There are dozens of Boomers on C-D who can and do disagree without becoming at all belligerent -- unlike, apparently, the author of the article. We are not all either racist conservatives or SJWs, but instead, a great many of us are somewhere between the two.)
Add this to the confusion, some said in the US the baby-boom generation ended in 1960 while in Canada its ended in 1965 and some specialists beginned to talk about "Generation Jones" who represent the late Boomers who was born after 1954 (some said it beginned around 1956-57) and the earlier Generation X.

Another thought come to my mind if we could wonder what if Saul Alinsky never talked about his theories and what if there was no Cloward-Piven strategy? They could had played a factor in this mess.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Dallas, PA
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So, do tell....what has changed, the gun or society?
I have several semi-autos. The oldest one was manufactured in 1919. That makes it 99 years old. Still functions perfectly. Doesn't need any changes.

Society, on the other hand, has changed. The left dismisses any discussion about violence portrayed by Hollywood and video games, but that has changed! When someone on the screen was shot (thinking old westerns here) they clutched their side or chest and fell over. If it was really gory they bit the "blood" capsule and blood came out of the corner of their mouth. Video games, when they first came on the market, were simple games like Pong, ******* (the game of the frog crossing the highway - CD censored the name), and Pac Man. Now they're so detailed you get blood splatters and body parts flying. I won't even go into the lack of religion. But no, it can't possible have any effect on young minds....

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