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Lol. I was about to say the same thing. As if context is just a byproduct or something.
Should I have put in the entire text of both speeches? Trump was during the election, should I have maybe put transcripts of all the debates leading up to it? Maybe Hillary's speeches too, that's context. Obama was talking about the internet, should I put the entire history of it? (Yes, I'm being rediculous, but my pont was, and still is, that context as given by one person is by nature, biased. I chose to not give it, to use the most common "bullet" of the talking point/quotes, and to ACKNOWLEDGE IT PROACTIVELY.)
Like I already said, I called it out in my OP, mostly thinking people remember both comments, because they were both a pretty big deal at the time, and also mentioning that people could google them.
Certainly was not trying to deceive. Read my responses in this discussion, I got into it more in my responses, but wanted to keep the poll question as pure as I could. Maybe I failed? Anyway.....
Should I have put in the entire text of both speeches? Trump was during the election, should I have maybe put transcripts of all the debates leading up to it? Maybe Hillary's speeches too, that's context. Obama was talking about the internet, should I put the entire history of it? (Yes, I'm being rediculous, but my pont was, and still is, that context as given by one person is by nature, biased. I chose to not give it, to use the most common "bullet" of the talking point/quotes, and to ACKNOWLEDGE IT PROACTIVELY.)
Like I already said, I called it out in my OP, mostly thinking people remember both comments, because they were both a pretty big deal at the time, and also mentioning that people could google them.
Certainly was not trying to deceive. Read my responses in this discussion, I got into it more in my responses, but wanted to keep the poll question as pure as I could. Maybe I failed? Anyway.....
No worries but context is EVERYTHING. I wouldn’t rely on peoples memories when the facts are fairly easy to post or link to. Maybe some folks might dispute them but don’t assume everyone would. There’s a lot of delusional folks on CD but plenty of sane ones too. Don’t let the nuts get you flummoxed.
I do remember Obama’s remark and if you just snipped it out it would look bad. But he was saying that in the broader context of all the great advantages that living in this country provides for businesses. I don’t think most folks would dispute that but if you just stated that he said “you didn’t build that” then, yah, it wouldn’t look so good even though it would be inaccurate.
Not exactly. I left it out because it can easily be searched, and no matter what I say, someone will tell me that my context is biased. I pulled up both quotes by googling them (To make sure I go them right), but felt people would discuss, and find their own citations and make their conclusions.
Since I am now in the discussion, and not on the OP anymore, I can give my response.
I voted that Obama was right, and Trump was wrong. In my opinion, both statements are really about the same subject, and just show opposite sides. Both are about "does one person make things happen, or a community?"
I feel that Obama was right. he probably said it poorly, but if you read the entire speech (the context) he was saying that nobody can claim 100% of the success of their business. The rock-star chef might be the main draw in a restaurant, but if the dishwasher can't give him clean plates to serve on, if the server can't make a pleasant experience, if the food runner can't get the medium rare steak to the table before it turns to rubber, then the restaurant can fail. (This is of course a metaphor for any business)
In my analysis, Trump feels like he can do it all, but he can't. He can't fix it alone, nor could anyone. Things happen with many variables. Obama recognizes that "it takes a village", Trump beleives that people are largely stupid, and needs a great mind like his (LOL) to nanny them along.
The problem is, you have just contradicted yourself. In the case of these two comments, context is, almost literally, everything.
Your argument that the context could be biased is absurd. It isn't your context, it's the rest of the speech, direct from the horse's mouth.
Oh, Obama was totally right. No one can succeed without everything that was already in place, in terms of both government and private businesses.
I read something interesting a while back about some town or county in the south, mired in poverty, unable to get anywhere - because they didn't have any roads. Imagine if Eisenhower hadn't decided that it was important for the federal government to get involved in building roads.
Trump, as we clearly see, isn't good at fixing much of anything. We can hope that he'll occasionally get lucky, but with his boundless ignorance, his miniscule attention span, and his penchant for alienating people, he's as useless a president as there has ever been. Supposedly he's barely literate.
Obama is a self made millionaire.
Trump started out with a million dollar loan from his father !
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