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Old 04-01-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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What's really stupid is the whole idea of schools in the U.S. needing to be armed and protected to the extent they do without Americans being willing to ask themselves how it's come to this juncture? Do more freak'n guns in the equation quell or contribute to this repulsive conundrum?

You've got a serious problem with conflating that 2nd amendment to mean the embodiment of your freedoms when it's interpretation is singularly responsible for reducing your ability to send your kids to school or walk down the street without fear, making a mockery out of your definition of the word "freedom"

How can any nation without tangible threat of a foreign invasion or imminent tyrannical government but nevertheless thinking about arming it's teachers to protect students call itself free?
This "juncture" of insanity is upon us thanks to an activist Supreme Court cherry picking judge, the corruption of NRA and a very gullible electorate that bought into the BS.

 
Old 04-01-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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This "juncture" of insanity is upon us thanks to an activist Supreme Court cherry picking judge, the corruption of NRA and a very gullible electorate that bought into the BS.
So Sotomayor, and Kagan weren't cherry picked? Both far left, activist judges. When that Commie Ginsberg leaves we'll cherry pick another.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 03:19 PM
 
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I'm going to play devils advocate here for a second.




From what we've seen from those doing the shooting tend to be people who don't have a lot of gun experience if any or so it would seem. That would play in the teachers favor or one could hope. I look at it like this: Once the danger was over the teacher/s has said time to put the gun back into the safe before the cops and or SWAT came in.


In the end there are no easy answers to this problem some feel that making the school more secure is the way to go, others feel it's to much work and money to keep their children safe. Gods forbid they have to get up early or change their routine to keep their kids safe.


Other's feel that having teachers carry guns or having access to one is the answer or having a few cops on the campus.


We NEED to do something before it happens again and it will it's just when and where.
Or, along with the gun in the safe, there are brightly colored arm bands the teacher could don, that would allow the swat team to recognize the wearer as a friendly shooter. It's all in the training.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Or, along with the gun in the safe, there are brightly colored arm bands the teacher could don, that would allow the swat team to recognize the wearer as a friendly shooter. It's all in the training.
No, the students that were marching in the Propaganda Display were wearing the arm bands.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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As a retired teacher I have to ask in what universe arming individuals, over half of whom can't remember where they put their car keys so you give them a code to open a safe, is a good idea.

Here's where every plan to arm teachers falls down. In every school system in the US no matter the SES, demographics or location and no matter how you secure the firearm. As soon as students find out that teacher is armed he, or she, is going to become a target of a subset of students who want that gun and will do anything to get it. In every school at every grade level in every school system.

Plus, the idea, as someone mentioned, to expect a teacher to become Rambo in a microsecond defies logic and classroom dynamics. Even trained responders have a few second WTF moment before responding.
So, you think it better for the nut job student wanting to shoot up the school to believe no one has a gun to shoot back with? If you were still teaching, you would definitely not be on the team, if I had any say in it, at least.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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If your child was in a classroom while there was active shooting going on elsewhere in the school, wouldn't you want a well trained, qualified teacher, barricading the students in the safest area of the classroom, and placing themselves between the students and the door with a gun poised to take out someone coming into the classroom to shoot the people in there?

It's not like the training would involve teaching the armed volunteer to go hunting in the hallways for the shooter.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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If your child was in a classroom while there was active shooting going on elsewhere in the school, wouldn't you want a well trained, qualified teacher, barricading the students in the safest area of the classroom, and placing themselves between the students and the door with a gun poised to take out someone coming into the classroom to shoot the people in there?

It's not like the training would involve teaching the armed volunteer to go hunting in the hallways for the shooter.
There are also school administrators, coaches, and facility people that could be voluntarily armed.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 04:06 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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No, the students that were marching in the Propaganda Display were wearing the arm bands.
Like the Nazi youth used to.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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So, you think it better for the nut job student wanting to shoot up the school to believe no one has a gun to shoot back with? If you were still teaching, you would definitely not be on the team, if I had any say in it, at least.
Guess what Sparky, I was the team. You have absolutely no clue about schools, school operations or the reality of schools.

Arming teachers is one of the worst ideas that's come down the pike in decades. How do you explain to anyone how a group of students was able to get the teacher's carry piece? And it would happen.

Somebody with a gun comes into the room shooting and no one will respond in time, mainly because it's unexpected, it's not like you're on patrol and alert.

In Florida Cruz knew there was an armed officer, same at Great Mills. Didn't stop either one.

The best option is a combination of hardening the school and taking people like Cruz seriously. Rollins in Maryland apparently showed no signs, at least none that have been reported.
 
Old 04-01-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Guess what Sparky, I was the team. You have absolutely no clue about schools, school operations or the reality of schools.

Arming teachers is one of the worst ideas that's come down the pike in decades. How do you explain to anyone how a group of students was able to get the teacher's carry piece? And it would happen.

Somebody with a gun comes into the room shooting and no one will respond in time, mainly because it's unexpected, it's not like you're on patrol and alert.

In Florida Cruz knew there was an armed officer, same at Great Mills. Didn't stop either one.

The best option is a combination of hardening the school and taking people like Cruz seriously. Rollins in Maryland apparently showed no signs, at least none that have been reported.
It seems arming teachers is working here, and has for YEARS. No students have been able to get their carry piece. They may know a uniformed officer has a gun, but they don't know which teacher, or administrator is carrying concealed.

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While the nation debates whether teachers should carry guns to protect students from armed intruders, the question is already settled in one Texas school district, where educators have had firearms on campus for years. CNN's Ed Lavandera reports.Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...ns-in-america/
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