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First you said "well, the link doesn't work" and then you responded to mine saying "it doesn't download." As if there was a download. But I do see you've at least learned how to post links. Good on you, bub.
If you continue to be a smarta** then you're going to land on my ignore list. The link you provided would not load on my computer. Are you calling me a liar? I've always known how to post links. In fact I just posted two proving that visa over stayers are a far lower number than border jumpers as the one I had saved in my favorites didn't work anymore. Doesn't matter we need a wall to deter the latter and a better system to track the former.
Just because you can find desperate illegals with no rights and underpay them doesn't mean it's right or that people unwilling to work long, hard hours with no overtime, unsafe conditions etc. are the problem.
What we have here is similar to what became the impetus for the formation of modern unions. Except in this case, they're illegals so no need to worry about that pesky problem.
I guess if I can get some lady from Guatemala to live in my house and cook and clean for $5/day it's ok because I can't find an American to do the same job for $5/day.
Oh, please, whatever you do, don't do that. I really don't know if I could go on living.
Suggesting. Proof requires a little more scientific approach than I think we can manage in this particular format.
Of course, anything that proves you wrong or doesn't fit your agenda aren't scientific facts according to you. Prove otherwise then. One of the links I provided was from Homeland Security but that isn't good enough for you? Just what points are you trying to make anyway? That there aren't still a significant number still jumping our border that we don't need a wall? I've already agreed with you that we need to track visa over stayers better. Do you just like to argue?
Of course, anything that proves you wrong or doesn't fit your agenda aren't scientific facts according to you. Prove otherwise then.
Right now we look like a couple of fools arguing in the religion sub about whether God exists or something else that can't be proven or disproven. Let's not do this.
There isn't a turnstile at the border. We have no idea how many illegal immigrants are actually here. How are either one of us going to "prove" anything?
Right now we look like a couple of fools arguing in the religion sub about whether God exists or something else that can't be proven or disproven. Let's not do this.
There isn't a turnstile at the border. We have no idea how many illegal immigrants are actually here. How are either one of us going to "prove" anything?
Who said anything about how many illegals are here? The discussion was about whether most were border jumpers or visa over stayers. There are estimates on illegal immigration out there on just about every part of this issue from viable sources. There doesn't have to be a turnstile on the border to give viable estimates on the number here and border jumpers vs visa over stayers. If you don't agree with them then so be it but we're not the experts and I don't claim to be one either. You had no problem posting links of your own, now did you?
Who said anything about how many illegals are here?
You would have to at least have a reasonable estimate as to a raw number before we can reach any conclusions on percentages of overstayed visas (which we can more easily quantify) vs. wholly illegal border crossings. To ask me "who said anything about how many illegals are here?" would ignore the entire premise of our exchange. This might come as a shock to you, but I have more productive things to do than carry this on.
You would have to at least have a reasonable estimate as to a raw number before we can reach any conclusions on percentages of overstayed visas (which we can more easily quantify) vs. wholly illegal border crossings. To ask me "who said anything about how many illegals are here?" would ignore the entire premise of our exchange. This might come as a shock to you, but I have more productive things to do than carry this on.
The total number of illegals here has nothing to do with deciphering whether or not most are border jumpers or visa over stayers. You're off topic now just as you were in your prior post. Good, I hope you have more productive things to do because so do I rather than to banter back and forth and have my links ignored and my questions unanswered. People who do that are usually illegal alien supporters but they just won't admit it. Buh, bye, off to the dust bin you go.
With a solid and credible source, we at least would know the assertion is accurate, and not just the figment of someone's mind. You know, like have the opinions pronounced here.
You must have missed the stories that came out a few years back when AL and GA cracked down on illegals. The lamestream media found some whining farmers who lost their illegals. Never once did the so-called reporters ask them why they didn't use the guest worker visa. Bland Farms in GA uses this program. They had no problems getting their onions harvested.
A SIX year old article? Nope, that doesn't at all reflect any current situation.
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There are estimates on illegal immigration out there on just about every part of this issue from viable sources. There doesn't have to be a turnstile on the border to give viable estimates on the number here and border jumpers vs visa over stayers. If you don't agree with them then so be it but we're not the experts and I don't claim to be one either. You had no problem posting links of your own, now did you? 
