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EPA rules are costing society so much money and is like a secret business. It reeks corruption!
Yes we heard that song, regulation is too expensive and we need to role back environmental laws. Pruitt might be a better fit at the Dept of Energy than the EPA.
Every time we GOPpers talk about rolling back regulations, some Lefty will scream, "They are poisoning the world"! Not the above comments about going from water that is too clean to water that has green slime on top.
In many cases it's Whack-A-Mole. The EPA kills a business here and that same business pops up in another country. That destroys the "They are poisoning the world" conversation, although it may clean up your back yard. The outdoor fabric dyeing pools may be gone from South Carolina, but they are up and running in China. And I'm fine with that.
But have you noticed over the years how dishwasher no longer clean dishes? That's not the applience manufacturers fault. What happened is, the EPA killed dishwashing detergent in a paper called the phosphate ban. Read here.
So now you have dirty dishes. And the only way to 'clean' them is either by hand, or select a longer cycle on your dishwasher. And there was nothing wrong with the water in the first place.
“A lot of the data that EPA uses to protect public health and ensure that we have clean air and clean water relies on data that cannot be publicly released,” Union of Concerned Scientists representative Yogin Kothari told E&E News."
Really, why not? What kind of total bs is that? As soon as these morons start pretending American citizens aren't "smart enough" to get it, then you know they are hiding something.
Oh yes, there are lots of things they withhold from the public, its not that they believe people are not smart enough to understand it, its more about how those 'secrets' COULD be used by the public.
Its similar to the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, not many people realize this even exists, but its a legal way for Govt to suppress technology they feel MAY cause problems, either by negatively impacting existing industry or effecting Govts ability to exert its authority. I did some reading on the Invention secrecy act recently, its amazing how and why they came up with this, as well as some of the tech that has been suppressed using this act over the years (these were only released thanks to FOIA requests!). I encourage everyone to read about this, its a good indicator at the mentality at play here.
Every time we GOPpers talk about rolling back regulations, some Lefty will scream, "They are poisoning the world"! Not the above comments about going from water that is too clean to water that has green slime on top.
I've read this paragraph 3 or 4 times and still can't make sense of what you're trying to say.
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In many cases it's Whack-A-Mole. The EPA kills a business here and that same business pops up in another country. That destroys the "They are poisoning the world" conversation, although it may clean up your back yard. The outdoor fabric dyeing pools may be gone from South Carolina, but they are up and running in China. And I'm fine with that.
But have you noticed over the years how dishwasher no longer clean dishes? That's not the applience manufacturers fault. What happened is, the EPA killed dishwashing detergent in a paper called the phosphate ban. Read here.
So now you have dirty dishes. And the only way to 'clean' them is either by hand, or select a longer cycle on your dishwasher. And there was nothing wrong with the water in the first place.
Are you saying eutrophication isn't an environmental problem?
Their work needs to be in the open, excluding private data.
No one is disputing Beale's role in the EPA and how the OPM regulations were passed. The EPA scientists had problems with it, and it was purely a policy decision. Those regulations are costly. They should be opened up for the public to see.
It would be better if big business wasn't involved - but it is. Their role in this doesn't matter to me... it probably doesn't matter to you either, other than it's a tool for leverage in this case.
Nowhere in this process do decisionmakers need to see raw data that went into studies in order to trust scientific evidence.
OK - maybe other experts have different data... or is the EPA smarter than everyone else?
The decision-making process at the EPA is already exhaustingly transparent.
So? Private citizens jump through government hoops all of the time. This is whining.
Ironically, the bill is directly at odds with the Trump administration’s stated desire to create a more efficient government.
Well, if it restricts regulations like they say it will, citizens will be more efficient. I will take the hit.
Pruitt’s move is just another tactic dreamed up to attack science behind public health protections.
If the science makes sense and is valid, then there should be no concerns. There are never any complaints when big business funds lefty interests. Quit being hypocrites.
Administrator Pruitt claims to be worried about “secret science” at EPA, but in reality, he’s squashing the science that protects Americans from air, water, and land pollution.
I still haven't heard or read anything about restricting science. Just whining about it costs too much, it's none of our business, this is what big business wants... science is not being restricted. In fact - it may get more interest as private citizens and college students can review and learn from their methods... assuming their methods are good...
Nowhere in this process do decisionmakers need to see raw data that went into studies in order to trust scientific evidence.
OK - maybe other experts have different data... or is the EPA smarter than everyone else?
The decision-making process at the EPA is already exhaustingly transparent.
So? Private citizens jump through government hoops all of the time. This is whining.
Ironically, the bill is directly at odds with the Trump administration’s stated desire to create a more efficient government.
Well, if it restricts regulations like they say it will, citizens will be more efficient. I will take the hit.
Pruitt’s move is just another tactic dreamed up to attack science behind public health protections.
If the science makes sense and is valid, then there should be no concerns. There are never any complaints when big business funds lefty interests. Quit being hypocrites.
Administrator Pruitt claims to be worried about “secret science” at EPA, but in reality, he’s squashing the science that protects Americans from air, water, and land pollution.
I still haven't heard or read anything about restricting science. Just whining about it costs too much, it's none of our business, this is what big business wants... science is not being restricted. In fact - it may get more interest as private citizens and college students can review and learn from their methods... assuming their methods are good...
Only it isn't SECRET Science. The science isn't secret at all. The EPA review process is transparent, and they don't rely on just one or two studies. They rely on hundreds of studies. And what they've relied on is available for people to view. The studies have already been peer-reviewed. The methodologies aren't secret. While some of the studies contain proprietary information, does that mean their conclusions are false? Does that mean that the EPA should not look at their results?
Pruitt is an anti-science stooge. Trump, and many of his supporters, want regulations to go away because that means bigger profits for businesses. At the expense of the general public.
Wonder if they’re going to. Make Pruitt pay the government back for his lavish trips on the taxpayers dime?
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