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Did you miss the comment that I was responding to? If so here it is again.
I listed 3 events were Trump supporters were violent and simply asked saltine if he thought the RNC was responsible because they didn't do anything to discourage those people. I was not trying to engage in a battle of whose supporters were attacked the most, personally I don't give a crap.
But it's simply wrong headed to blame a political party for the actions of people for whom we don't even know their political affiliation. We shouldn't blame the RNC for violent Trump supporters and we shouldn't blame the DNC for people who have become violent with Trump supporters.
Honestly, I am surprised that I just had to explain all of that.
At least I posted links to violence on the other side. But I agree--anyone who uses any form of violence not in self-defense is pathetic.
People who get violent over political ideology are especially pathetic.
The below quotes are from the link within the link above....
Accused?
I guess a "black nationalist" is now part the right wing conspiracy?
Another repub, evidently.....
Folks, this is from the first page of the link that grey says no repubs want to discuss....
I guess in grey's mind, black nationalist are repubs, and words such as accused and believed are all considered repubs....
Amazing folks, you cannot make this crap up....
I like how you pull the black nationalist one out especially, as that was the reports attempt to show that its also nationalists who are committing violence while you ignored so many others.
LOL. I guess you didn't like it when I posted all those other links in the other thread either. So now you come here hoping that with this sort of nonsense you can ignore reality in this thread too.
AND how you take my post where I SPECIFICALLY say this is not representative of conservatives or republican, and then start saying nonsense like "Another repub, evidently..."
You really are being intellectually dishonest here.
They used too. Seriously. But the numbers have really switched. And I would call the folks committing violence on either side extremists. At least im honest enough to say that. Wish you were. Tarring millions of people based on the actions of a few? Please.
I like how you pull the black nationalist one out especially, as that was the reports attempt to show that its also nationalists who are committing violence while you ignored so many others.
LOL. I guess you didn't like it when I posted all those other links in the other thread either. So now you come here hoping that with this sort of nonsense you can ignore reality in this thread too.
AND how you take my post where I SPECIFICALLY say this is not representative of conservatives or republican, and then start saying nonsense like "Another repub, evidently..."
You really are being intellectually dishonest here.
Just so everyone can see how much grey does not tell the truth.....lets look at the link in this thread that we are talking about. I'm not sure what other thread he is talking about...but lets see if he can focus on this...
So, to the bold above, prior to me posting, this is the only link grey has posted below in this thread....
Now, look at the bold below...make your own conclusion folks....again, I guess black nationalist are now EXTREME far right....
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Originally Posted by greywar
Actually there is quite a bit of evidence that shows that shootings from right wing folks have been going up. But they were going up even before Trump. They've been shooting more cops and citizens then ISIS. Think about that.
Used to be the left wing was the ones doing it in the 70's and 80's, now its switched.
And we're talking the extreme far right here. Lets not confuse them with Conservatives or Republicans. They arent the same folks at all. Same with the extreme far left in the 70's.
They used too. Seriously. But the numbers have really switched. And I would call the folks committing violence on either side extremists. At least im honest enough to say that. Wish you were. Tarring millions of people based on the actions of a few? Please.
Political violence is 50/50 on both sides. Don't kid yourself.
The only non-violent people left in this country are Quakers and libertarians.
Just so everyone can see how much grey does not tell the truth.....lets look at the link in this thread that we are talking about. I'm not sure what other thread he is talking about...but lets see if he can focus on this...
So, to the bold above, prior to me posting, this is the only link grey has posted below in this thread....
Now, look at the bold below...make your own conclusion folks....again, I guess black nationalist are now EXTREME far right....
while a racial nationalist is a generally a right wing position as nationalism is a rightist position even more so than socialism is leftist, hence the Nazis are far right, even though their national "socialists". Black nationalists are far left, because they support leftist candidates not necessarily because they have leftist beliefs. Now the one thing that would be hard to categorize would be a "white nationalist communist".
About the actual poll.
Cruz- Is a right winger- he wore a MAGA hat and his guns were legally owned. His allah akbar statement was meant to mock muslims. You can look up the full statement yourself if you want, and right-wingers mock muslims left and right.
Roof- Does this even need to be said.
Conditt- Was a right winger but different from Cruz and Roof in that he was an evangelical guy, but that was 6 years ago. We don't know his current beliefs. He could have swung across the pendulum so this is the only way the Op was dishonest about his poll.
I still voted No, although I'm hanging between No and Maybe. Trump probably didn't affect Roof. He may have affected the other two though, as Cruz is clearly a Trump supporter, but him shooting up a school that he went to is more likely personal rather than political. Conditt is completely unknown and more should come out about him in the future.
Political violence is 50/50 on both sides. Don't kid yourself.
The only non-violent people left in this country are Quakers and libertarians.
Quakers maybe and truly religious Mormons mostly as Utah is a safe city. But Libertarians are a big No. Libertarians hate big government and the extremes hate government in general they have been causing political violence for decades although it is never organized but extreme loners who hate all government encroachment period.
Political violence is 50/50 on both sides. Don't kid yourself.
The only non-violent people left in this country are Quakers and libertarians.
Sorry, I am not going to play the false equivalency "both sides are bad" game. The numbers back up my statement. The vast majority of violence is from the far right.
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Originally Posted by chucksnee
Just so everyone can see how much grey does not tell the truth.....lets look at the link in this thread that we are talking about. I'm not sure what other thread he is talking about...but lets see if he can focus on this...
So, to the bold above, prior to me posting, this is the only link grey has posted below in this thread....
Now, look at the bold below...make your own conclusion folks....again, I guess black nationalist are now EXTREME far right....
Yes lets look at how much im telling the truth where I call out the far right, and extremists, while you claim im saying this is about Republicans.
And where you cherry pick from the article while ignoring the data. here let me help you. From the first paragraph:
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White supremacists and other far-right extremists were responsible for 59% of all extremist-related fatalities in the US in 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) Center on Extremism. The ADL’s annual report—“Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017”— found that the number of murders conducted by white supremacists US more than doubled last year, compared to 2016.
With the increasing angry tone coming from Donald Trump, Hannity, and other right wing sources, is it causing unstable Trump supporters to commit violent acts?
Dylann Roof, Nikolaus Cruz, and now Mark Conditt are all conservatives who have committed mass murder. Is this is a new trend, violence from right wing extremists?
For starters you should stop putting these scums bags names in print, and giving them the attention they crave. The site of the massacre would do just fine for us to know whom you are referring.
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Another biased poll that I could not participate in. Additionally it is obvious you are trying to push a leftist narrative with your limited choices. Most of the nutters seem to be from the left wing, though some kooks can be conservative as well.
I have not heard that either loser from Parkland or Austin are conservative. However for you to lay this on Trump is just further evidence of TDS among some of you.
In your world, everything that is bad is Trumps fault, and anything good is not related to him.
Heck some of you honestly believe Obama had a master plan to keep anemic growth and unemployment at record lows (all Bush's fault), and only after he left office was the plan going to start working.
Heck Obama himself said "thank you Obama" and the TDSers asked for another round of koolaid while agreeing with him.
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