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Old 03-22-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: SC
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1. That there is an anti-conservative bias isn't controversial nor disputed by any serious person. See my aforementioned examples, to start.

1. A lot of people who voted for Obama voted for Trump in the past election. That means that people are convinced that our position is correct all of the time.

2. You prove my point. We did recently win the most important election in the world. Regardless, the unelected nationals security apparatus, enabled by the "mainstream" (Leftist) media, have made it a point to functionally undermine this president's first term. That's not a democratic act.

When the system punishes democratic results, especially via a clear double standard, there is a crisis of democracy.
Paranoid BS. Keep winning election and the "system" changes.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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Where does that exist?
well, you, for starters
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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In order to eliminate bias, humans would need to be discerning enough to understand nuance.

There not much of that around lately. People think they make apples to apples comparisons when they are truly comparing a blackberry to a watermelons.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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From the copious hard evidence that indicts Hillary Clinton in contrast with the paltry hard evidence that they have on Trump and in light of the Trump investigation;
Wow, that reveals your bias right there ... also, your poor sources of information.

Get out from under the burden of that echo chamber of hoaxes those people are playing on you and breathe the clean fresh air of reality. You will soon discover that you've been had.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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of course, we'll also have to correct anti-liberal bias to even it all out


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB0ftYjOuLM
Even Fox News viewers don't believe the outlet to be "mainstream". In fact, there doesn't really exist a supposedly objective source of information, take Wikipedia for example, which does not list the outlet as, at minimum, Right Wing.

Even if one could get away for a second with the claim that Fox news is counted among mainstream news outlets, it would be a single outlet among the dozen others that are all biased for the Left Wing.

And that would be ignoring that Fox News is more or less merely a Right Wing gatekeeper, who hasn't protested enough if at all to the consistent social slide to the far Left. Fox was tepid on Trump because its full of closet liberals, like Shep Smith, and not so closeted Neocons (pro-war liberals).

Take the NYT in contrast, as one example among many others.

It literally had to "rededicate itself" to journalism after the election because of its election bias. It quite literally tried to throw the election to Hillary.

However, the NYT, and amazingly the WaPo, are somehow held to be "mainstream" news publications, unbiased, and thus the arbiters of truth.

This persistent and circularly 'verified' claim, in spite of all reality, has the pernicious effect of allowing them to be used as reference points for so called objective claims that are in reality politically biased points of view. Again, take almost any politically contentious Wikipedia article. Also, take the current politically motivated investigation that has set election winner Trump its White Whale.

The facts that are inconvenient to the liberal politically view, the NYT and the WaPo leave out or minimize. They craft a narrative, and because the system is biased to the Left enough that these particular "mainstream" outlets are held to be objective sources of information, politically motivated politicians and law enforcement can then found an investigation on their narratives.

For a pre-election recent example, see the Michael Brown National Crisis that they invented their own narrative in regard to.

Comparing Fox the the liberal news junta, especially int terms of influence and effect, is comparing a gnats wings to a hurricane. Fox News can be ignored, heck ignoring it is almost a requirement for politicians lest the liberal "mainstream" media punishes them for it, but when the NYT or the WaPo comes out with a story everyone has to sit up and accept the New National Crisis.

Fox News has no such ability to invent a national crisis, which is why they aren't the same animal as the MSM and why your claim that there is an anti-liberal bias is false.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Denver
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AHHH! the libertarian/independent utopia
No, the ideal democracy. If any one party has majority power (especially in multiple branches), there is little reason to negotiate with the minority share of government as there isn't much they can do to stop the majority. This leads to party agendas being pushed rather than what's best for the people of the nation.

You could probably split both parties in two right now anyways. The extreme left with the SWJ's and illegal immigration, the moderate left that focuses more on economic policy and social services, the moderate right that focuses on conservative policies and the extreme right which is full of the super religious and rednecks.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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Wow, that reveals your bias right there ... also, your poor sources of information.

Get out from under the burden of that echo chamber of hoaxes those people are playing on you and breathe the clean fresh air of reality. You will soon discover that you've been had.
You prove my point precisely.

What are your "good" sources of information? Those that confirm your bias?

Is the NYT's own admission to bias a "poor" source of information?

What "hoaxes", precisely, are you referring to?

"Wow".

I'd offer your advice back to you, and moreover you provided no refuting links. You just have an emotional response that proves my point.

See my prior comment about the relative ability to create national crises as evidence as to the bias. Anti-conservative bias isn't even debatable. The only worthwhile conversation to be had is what it means for this nation's democracy and what should be done about it.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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well, you, for starters
My word, you just won the internet. The "system" is "biased" against liberals because a voter (me) is conservative.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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Paranoid BS. Keep winning election and the "system" changes.
1. That people change political affiliations is paranoid BS? Are you merely being lazy in editing your quotes or are you generally nonsensical?

2. That the current investigation is politically motivated is not in dispute nor controversial. It is outright demonstrated by the words of liberal politicians every day.

3. The media isn't supposed o be a part of the political "system". Also, the FBI and CIA are not supposed to be politicized. Thus, winning elections should have nothing to do with these institutions being largely objective.

You also provided no logical nor factual rebuttal. You only provided an emotional response.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Paranoid BS. Keep winning election and the "system" changes.
Elections change nothing. The SYSTEM (aka the State) is the problem.
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